Things would like to not see again, Forced Job, COPY / PASTE and Chaos

[Enfarious]

So aside from opening with I played FFXI, which is probably why people have responded so negatively up to now.
You aren't wrong, forcing speed runs is obnoxious.
After reading that whole post I saw something different in it, but as I have played nearly every FF to date, I can say that as a franchise this game is a broken link. It does not follow along with typical FFs and a franchise that's lasted for >20 years should not change so drastically from what has worked.

Even in XI I got "forced" to play certain jobs often, "forced" meaning that a pt would ask me to play one of the jobs that'll be helpful. That's not gonna go away. If a pt's going to do something and they need a tank they aren't likely to take you along in the 8/8 spot if your not a tank.

Taking a little time, being able to do things differently, really getting into what your doing, these are the things that make games fun. Being at the finish faster than the trip to the start is ... premature [pick a word] and who wants that?

[Atoli]

It does not follow along with typical FFs and a franchise that's lasted for >20 years should not change so drastically from what has worked.
If a pt's going to do something and they need a tank they aren't likely to take you along in the 8/8 spot if your not a tank.

Welcome to a world in which you are NOT the only player
It's an MMORPG, other people may take whatever class they want to take, and if they want a tank they have every right to only take tanks.
You are not forced to join their party.
Heck, if you want to play only BLM, fine! Build your own party and YOU will be the one to decide what you need. And when you filled your party with 7/8 DDs and healers, I bet you'll only take a PLD or warrior for the last spot, too.

Also..you can't compare an MMORPG with offline FF titles.
The mechanics are completely different since offline titles only have to cater to solo players while the world of an MMO is always populated by dozens of players which will meet, interact, and so on.
But even if we ignore that and only look at "what worked in the previous offline FF titles": In many your characters had a certain job or class which could not be switched to something else, and even if you had the chance to change it you probably were still forced to have different kinds of fighters in your party because 4 whitemages made you wipe during every bossfight.
So you were also forced to have a melee DD and whatever in those older games, even if you only enjoyed healing and buffing.

Taking a little time, being able to do things differently, really getting into what your doing, these are the things that make games fun.

These are the things I do in FFXIV everyday.
All 3 things you mentioned are stuff the player does, they are not provided by a game. You can do stuff differently in FFXIV, you may take all the time in the world and totally immerse yourself in what you are doing, it's perfectly possible by the game mechanics.
If you decide to do it or not is a decision only you can make.
To me, you sound like someone too lazy and too afraid to play in your own way, and you blame the game for it.
You join other parties instead of building your own, then compain about them wanting you to play another class than what you want to play and them fighting differently than you want to do it.

I play with friends all the time, we build our own parties, sometimes invite a few strangers, and WE make the rules.
We decide which classes to bring, which monsters to kill.
I never even once felt FORCED to a certain playstyle in this game.
But that's because I actually DO something instead of whining why things dont turn out the way I want them to when I do nothing to make them the way I like.

[Enfarious]

So aside from opening with I played FFXI, which is probably why people have responded so negatively up to now.
You aren't wrong, forcing speed runs is obnoxious.
After reading that whole post I saw something different in it, but as I have played nearly every FF to date, I can say that as a franchise this game is a broken link. It does not follow along with typical FFs and a franchise that's lasted for >20 years should not change so drastically from what has worked.

Even in XI I got "forced" to play certain jobs often, "forced" meaning that a pt would ask me to play one of the jobs that'll be helpful. That's not gonna go away. If a pt's going to do something and they need a tank they aren't likely to take you along in the 8/8 spot if your not a tank.

Taking a little time, being able to do things differently, really getting into what your doing, these are the things that make games fun. Being at the finish faster than the trip to the start is ... premature [pick a word] and who wants that?

Is the above really the one you want to attack?

Welcome to a world in which you are NOT the only player
It's an MMORPG, other people may take whatever class they want to take, and if they want a tank they have every right to only take tanks.
You are not forced to join their party.

Umm reread my post, I just said "If they need/want something other than what you are your not going. Your attacking something by agreeing with me lol. If you got from what I said that I'm implying that people should cater to me, again reread my post, I DO NOT expect to be catered to by anyone, I DO however expect people to not lash out with this level of idiocy.

Heck, if you want to play only BLM, fine! Build your own party and YOU will be the one to decide what you need. And when you filled your party with 7/8 DDs and healers, I bet you'll only take a PLD or warrior for the last spot, too.

Still just reread that post cause again, your arguing on the same side as me, if your so angry that your blind to what I said and just want something to attack then that's fine. More power to you.

Also..you can't compare an MMORPG with offline FF titles.
The mechanics are completely different since offline titles only have to cater to solo players while the world of an MMO is always populated by dozens of players which will meet, interact, and so on.
But even if we ignore that and only look at "what worked in the previous offline FF titles": In many your characters had a certain job or class which could not be switched to something else, and even if you had the chance to change it you probably were still forced to have different kinds of fighters in your party because 4 whitemages made you wipe during every bossfight.
So you were also forced to have a melee DD and whatever in those older games, even if you only enjoyed healing and buffing.

I have to say though, this argument supports mine with "passion". I didn't compare XIV to offline ones directly, just stated that the FF franchise has been alive and well for years, and now there's this cancer growing in it called "let's get to the end faster"

These are the things I do in FFXIV everyday.
All 3 things you mentioned are stuff the player does, they are not provided by a game. You can do stuff differently in FFXIV, you may take all the time in the world and totally immerse yourself in what you are doing, it's perfectly possible by the game mechanics.
If you decide to do it or not is a decision only you can make.
To me, you sound like someone too lazy and too afraid to play in your own way, and you play the game for it.
You join other parties instead of building your own, then compain about them wanting you to play another class than what you want to play and them fighting differently than you want to do it.

I play with friends all the time, we build our own parties, sometimes invite a few strangers, and WE make the rules.
We decide which classes to bring, which monsters to kill.
I never even once felt FORCED to a certain playstyle in this game.
But that's because I actually DO something instead of whining why things dont turn out the way I want them to when I do nothing to make them the way I like.

Ok so in closing here ...
aside from wondering if you meant to /quote me or someone else, I'm thinking that you are not a lawyer. A part of me actually kind of hopes that you just got me all upside down because you don't sound stupid, but how you could get so many different pieces of what I said so far off center is confusing the shit outta me.

First: I don't rush, I've never been PL'd and chances are I won't be, I have friends that I play with and don't hope people will do things for me.
Second: "Forced" as I said in the old post that you should be rereading, all the words of said post mind you, to play a job due to it being what is needed does happen, if I can be PLD and a pt needs PLD and they're 7/8 and they "ask" me to run w/ them as PLD, well I'm going as PLD or not going. If you somehow read this as "God I hate this game I can never do what I want" you need to remove your blinders.
Third: When I'm not actually doing things with friends/ls members I do not sit anywhere and whine, I go and do other things that I want to.

I think maybe you meant to /quote the OP which made most of what you said make sense, but really you did a damn fine job of supporting my post. you just need to /quote the whole thing. Paraphrasing me to make your arguments appear sane and rational does not make them sane and rational.

Thankyou though you've actually given me something fun to do for the last few minutes.