Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[VictorSpoils]

Tank achievements??? How does it not count? If there are instances in a ROULETTE that you don't want because they don't have the thing you do it for than why are you queing for said ROULETTE???

Second Chance points from roulettes? Better farm them from MSQ trials directly or Dungeons that most do only once (no MSQ preferably).

Because it's called Duty Roulette: Normal Raids, not Duty Roulette: Alexander - The Fist of the Father. Alas, only Stormblood content and beyond counts towards the tank achievements. Fortunately, that's about 75% of the raids in the roulette, and queueing for that is better than queueing for 5 specific raids. You'd think even during the Moogle event, the game wouldn't deliberately shoehorn you into 1 out of 44 possible raids.

I do normally use Trial roulette for SC points, but again, normal trials don't count towards the achievements, so it helps to take out two birds with one stone. Trials are also a lot easier/boring (I never want to see Thordan's ridiculously undertuned ass ever again), and dungeons are nowhere near as efficient for either the points or the achievements.

[BRVV]

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The game lets you join a party that needs more people. If a lot of players que for Alexander directly you will get into Alexander. You don't seem to understand how the roulette works on any level.

Because it's called Duty Roulette: Normal Raids, not Duty Roulette: Alexander - The Fist of the Father

Tell that to Crystal Tower Roulette

[VictorSpoils]

The game lets you join a party that needs more people. If a lot of players que for Alexander directly you will get into Alexander. You don't seem to understand how the roulette works on any level.

This was already discussed with the Mentor roulette. People claim to know how the matchmaking algorithm works not only without any concrete evidence, but practically contrary to how it appears to work. If it were to prioritize duties that "needed people", it would obviously choose other raids, not the one almost everyone is deliberately farming. Keep in mind that these people are manually queueing for it, not selecting the roulette, unless the roulette itself is a fraud and actually is throwing everyone into this one specific raid for the lulz.

Tell that to Crystal Tower Roulette

This comparison doesn't work when other alliance raids appear far more often than the other normal raids have, even with 4x the duties. Even the other Alexander raids aren't appearing, despite still giving the tomestones and taking the same amount of time for the most part.

[BRVV]

People claim to know how the matchmaking algorithm works not only without any concrete evidence

3 people try to get into 1 dungeon. You select the roulette. You get added to them. Not that hard to predict. When many run X and you run a roulette with X you get put into those more often. Are you really not understanding that? What is the roulette suppossed to do? Wait at least 5 minutes?

This comparison doesn't work when other alliance raids appear far more often than the other normal raids have, even with 4x the duties.

Alliance Raids have a different roulette...

Even the other Alexander raids aren't appearing, despite still giving the tomestones and taking the same amount of time for the most part.

Hm... should i do the easy 5 minute Alexander for 2 tomestones or a big 10 minute one where we need a tank LB for 2 stones? Can't decide!

[VictorSpoils]

3 people try to get into 1 dungeon. You select the roulette. You get added to them. Not that hard to predict. When many run X and you run a roulette with X you get put into those more often. Are you really not understanding that? What is the roulette suppossed to do? Wait at least 5 minutes?

How do you know this is what's happening? Where is your proof? How do you define a duty that "needs people"?

Alliance Raids have a different roulette...

You compared the rates between the two roulettes...

Hm... should i do the easy 5 minute Alexander for 2 tomestones or a big 10 minute one where we need a tank LB for 2 stones? Can't decide!

Going to ignore the other 10 raids, huh? At least A12 is fun.

[BRVV]

How do you know this is what's happening? Where is your proof? How do you define a duty that "needs people"?


You compared the rates between the two roulettes...


Going to ignore the other 10 raids, huh? At least A12 is fun.

Not sure if you are trolling at this point. What "needs people"? Idk maybe the 2 dps WAITING FOR 20 MINUTES FOR THEIR STUPID MSQ DUNGEON. Holy moly. Do you get anything???


Adding to this post:

So it has to be 2 DPS and exactly 20 minutes? This is the numerical formula the game uses? And what does this example have to do with the Raid roulette? This logic is faulty.

So do you get that it was an example or not? SE doesn't want a new player to have to wait 30 minutes or so for a MSQ dungeon. Looks terrible. So, roulette players can fill in.

You brought up the Alliance Raid roulette in comparison to the Normal Raid roulette. You presumably called it "CT roulette" as a tongue-in-cheek way of referring to the high rate of CT duties popping up. You somehow incorrectly assumed I was under the impression that Alliance/Normal raids share a roulette. Take a step back and read things a bit more carefully before posting.

Yeah because i don't see why you think it should be a normal distribution that as a strict normal distribution ignores the unfilled spaces in groups. Would be a terrible idea. You think that after getting Alex pound me daddy while it's a good way to farm the current grindfest would have given you a hint.

That was precisely the issue being addressed. They manually queue for the duty instead of actually joining an optimized PF group, clogging up the so-called roulette.

Still a roulette even when it's not normal distribution. So when i want some tomes late at night after finally getting off work with all my friends offline and PF being empty i should make a PF that won't fill instead of queuing for the first bunch of Alexanders like i did a few days ago? "Clogging" the roulette? This is your point of view. What are the legit ones? Who is not clogging it up? If you don't even want to push a button in a duty than maybe you are clogging it up. Or everyone can just do the content.

I'm disappointed in you, lala.

I am in your comprehension skills.


When did i "compare the rates" of 2 roulettes? I said that alliance roulette is already CT roulette. That wasn't talking about rates. You seem to have the impression that the game rolls a random number for everyone queuing in a roulette and gives that instance. How INCREDIBLY stupid would that be. Sry you have to wait because rng decided all 90 players waiting for leveling roulette get a different one!

And about your last line. About Alexander. Well that's how players optimize the sh*t out of the grindfest events. Like they always had! When Aurum Vale was the fastest method for tomes people spammed that. Not as much in the roulettes because a lot did it with blue mages.

[VictorSpoils]

Not sure if you are trolling at this point. What "needs people"? Idk maybe the 2 dps WAITING FOR 20 MINUTES FOR THEIR STUPID MSQ DUNGEON. Holy moly. Do you get anything???

So it has to be 2 DPS and exactly 20 minutes? This is the numerical formula the game uses? And what does this example have to do with the Raid roulette? This logic is faulty.

When did i "compare the rates" of 2 roulettes? I said that alliance roulette is already CT roulette. That wasn't talking about rates. You seem to have the impression that the game rolls a random number for everyone queuing in a roulette and gives that instance. How INCREDIBLY stupid would that be. Sry you have to wait because rng decided all 90 players waiting for leveling roulette get a different one!

You brought up the Alliance Raid roulette in comparison to the Normal Raid roulette. You presumably called it "CT roulette" as a tongue-in-cheek way of referring to the high rate of CT duties popping up. You somehow incorrectly assumed I was under the impression that Alliance/Normal raids share a roulette. Take a step back and read things a bit more carefully before posting.

And about your last line. About Alexander. Well that's how players optimize the sh*t out of the grindfest events. Like they always had! When Aurum Vale was the fastest method for tomes people spammed that. Not as much in the roulettes because a lot did it with blue mages.

That was precisely the issue being addressed. They manually queue for the duty instead of actually joining an optimized PF group, clogging up the so-called roulette. I'm disappointed in you, lala.

[Thurmnmurmn]

You guys are clogging up the funny duty finder stories with your dumb arguments.
If you feel that strongly about it, start a new thread.

[Moonfish]

You guys are clogging up the funny duty finder stories with your dumb arguments.
If you feel that strongly about it, start a new thread.

Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

There’s some crying going on so it’s appropriate in this thread.

[Fyrebrand]

Sure, we're getting Alexander: Fist of the Father a lot more than normal in Raid Roulette. But we're also getting Nier content in Alliance Raid roulette a lot more, too! I call that an overall win!

(Okay, so I still get Crystal Tower an awful lot too but not as much as usual, I'll take what I can get)