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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    Also: Golbez as an 'obvious Darth Vader homage', a character definitely not associated with sword-having while also being good at other things.
    A lightsaber pales in comparison before the power of The Force. But do go on being petty and boring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    A lightsaber pales in comparison before the power of The Force. But do go on being petty and boring.
    I think that was their point. That nobody associates Vader with the lightsaber (which he uses), but with his intense powers of the Force. Like how everybody associates Golbez with his intense magical powers, not a sword (which he's using).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I think that was their point. That nobody associates Vader with the lightsaber (which he uses), but with his intense powers of the Force. Like how everybody associates Golbez with his intense magical powers, not a sword (which he's using).
    Actually I do associate Darth Vader with a light saber, rather heavily. Because I grew up with Darth Vader merch, and let me tell you: it was all red, because of the light saber. Darth Vader's iconic image just has a light saber.

    And that's fine, because despite that the image of Darth Vader is also not just being a swordsman, we know very well that he's capable of other things. (Mostly choking people one-handed, he does that a lot.) A character is not merely defined by their weapon, and Darth Vader's actually a really good example of that.

    Golbez can have a sword without the sword defining him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eisi View Post
    Golbez is Thordan.

    That one caught me off guard, I would have never imagined our boy to come back, but I guess the dragon connection is there.
    Safe to assume OP never played FF4. He's always had the ability to summon a shadow dragon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    Safe to assume OP never played FF4. He's always had the ability to summon a shadow dragon.
    So you +1 on the dragon connection being there?


    Quote Originally Posted by Eisi View Post
    They have the same combat animations and are both trial bosses
    That could be a hint. Or the devs are becoming lazier. I mean it's not like the relic isn't just tomestones! (i don't want to bring up a different discussion just wanted to hint that laziness could be it with the animations)
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    Last edited by BRVV; 05-15-2023 at 09:13 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRVV View Post
    So you +1 on the dragon connection being there?
    If by "dragon connection" you mean one is able to summon a dragon, the other wanted to kill dragons, sure.

    Just like Ran'jit and Estinien having a "dragon connection". Clearly Ranj'it is the First's version of Estinien!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    Just like Ran'jit and Estinien having a "dragon connection". Clearly Ranj'it is the First's version of Estinien!
    Actually, you might be onto something. What if we're missing a trick here?

    What if Ran'jit is the First's version of Golbez?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    If by "dragon connection" you mean one is able to summon a dragon, the other wanted to kill dragons, sure.

    Just like Ran'jit and Estinien having a "dragon connection". Clearly Ranj'it is the First's version of Estinien!
    Your wording was just so off. It's like if Darth Vader showed up in FFXIV and used the force & people would be like "the force exists in FFXIV!!! Is it dynamis? Ether?" And you would be: "Vader ALSO had the force in SW. #smh"

    Makes it sound that everything from everything that came from "inspirations" (stolen from mostly other FFs) should be ignored. If so should we ignore most of the story?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    What if Ran'jit is the First's version of Golbez?
    Everyone knows the First's version of Golbez is none other than Granson, from the role quests. They both use greatswords.

    Quote Originally Posted by BRVV View Post
    Your wording was just so off. It's like if Darth Vader showed up in FFXIV and used the force & people would be like "the force exists in FFXIV!!! Is it dynamis? Ether?" And you would be: "Vader ALSO had the force in SW. #smh"

    Makes it sound that everything from everything that came from "inspirations" (stolen from mostly other FFs) should be ignored. If so should we ignore most of the story?
    OP's wording makes it sound like he made a groundbreaking discovery about Golbez's shadow dragon. I'm just pointing out that's been his character thing since before Thordan even existed.
    Although your post reminded me to track down those Eorzean midi-chlorians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    OP's wording makes it sound like he made a groundbreaking discovery about Golbez's shadow dragon. I'm just pointing out that's been his character thing since before Thordan even existed.
    I see

    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    Although your post reminded me to track down those Eorzean midi-chlorians.
    lol

    Just looked at YT. Trailer analysis videos on FFXIV patch trailers are apparently a thing. Haven't played FFIV yet. Just watched 5 random seconds of a 28 minute analysis video and was told a spoiler for FFIV. Maybe i should have played every other SE game before FFXIV since they reuse so much...

    Can't really relate to people getting so hyped about the patch trailers but wish you all much fun with it.
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    Last edited by BRVV; 05-15-2023 at 11:02 PM. Reason: english grammar hard
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