I loved this Live Letter

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

i swear lmao yall always try to hide the negativity with those toxic positivity threads, as if one denies the other

Remember guys, nobody comes and disrupts/attack "Positive" Threads.
Its only the Critical ones that get attacked by "The Usual Posters"

[Stormpeaks]

Remember guys, nobody comes and disrupts/attack "Positive" Threads.
Its only the Critical ones that get attacked by "The Usual Posters"

As a wise man once said, it is what it is. You attack every single complaint thread, amongst with your little brigade of posters that I cant even name because there's quite a few, and you get the same back, especially when the thread is as non-genuine as this one, just made because there was a thread that was talking negatively about the LL.

TLDR : Deal with it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

As a wise man once said, it is what it is. You attack every single complaint thread, amongst with your little brigade of posters that I cant even name because there's quite a few, and you get the same back, especially when the thread is as non-genuine as this one, just made because there was a thread that was talking negatively about the LL.

TLDR : Deal with it.

I never attacked anyone.
But I get these false labels very often, and I got made fun of for mentioning how much it happens.

So, Ive had to live by your TLDR for a good while. Ive done it for this long, I think I can keep going.

[Aword3213]

I never attacked anyone.
But I get these false labels very often, and I got made fun of for mentioning how much it happens.

Some of posters were labled as white knights, Yoshi simp, or SE defender even when they do offer criticisms in different topic in different threads.

[Kaurhz]

Some of posters were labled as white knights, Yoshi simp, or SE defender even when they do offer criticisms in different topic in different threads.

That is because the epitome of logic is as thus...

All criticisms must be homogenous amongst all posters, and if you disagree with 1 criticism of a given poster, that therefore precludes you from having your own criticisms in another facet/area of the game.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

All criticisms must be homogenous amongst all posters, and if you disagree with 1 criticism of a given poster, that therefore precludes you from having your own criticisms in another facet/area of the game.

This is so bloody true hahahaha

[RyuDragnier]

All criticisms must be homogenous amongst all posters, and if you disagree with 1 criticism of a given poster, that therefore precludes you from having your own criticisms in another facet/area of the game.

Reminds me of a certain type of people I've dealt with in reality, they are not fun people let me tell you. They give the impression of having a hive mind and will bash anything that remotely is outside of their line of thinking, even attacking people for not looking the same.

[TowaIsBestGirl]

Reminds me of a certain type of people I've dealt with in reality, they are not fun people let me tell you. They give the impression of having a hive mind and will bash anything that remotely is outside of their line of thinking, even attacking people for not looking the same.

Subtlety, thee know it not.

People are ALLOWED to post positive things. And when the same negative people going into all the positive threads to pick fights and berate people for being positive come into their threads, they are well within reason to rebuff those people.

People are permitted to post "negative" things as well. That's called criticism, and sometimes that is deemed very undesirable here. The amount of times I've seen it reduced to simple cases of "Negative Nancies" is quite frankly unacceptable. Do you truly mean to attempt to convince me that you've never once witnessed the myriad posters who come into critique threads for the sole purpose of stating "Yet another one of these threads...." with a dramatic sigh worthy of the heights of professional theatre? It is of course fine if you truly haven't, as not all of us are present here twenty four-seven but I'm here now to inform you they exist and are very prevalent indeed.

I daresay the moment any poster has the stones to post a critique thread, you are statistically guaranteed to attract at least three to five of these such bad faith actors.

I don't think I've seen a white knight in here yet.

Yet have you seen a "Black Knight"? Judging by your obvious bias, I heartily suspect you are inclined to see many.

The negative people are coming into the positive threads picking fights. They aren't innocent victims and people aren't going out of their way to attack them. Even with all the negative people taking issue with OP's first line, his line wasn't attacking the negative people, it was saying "there's a lot of negativity here, but here is some positivity". That wasn't picking a fight or "chastising" anyone. The perma-negative people here took it as a personal attack because someone dared not agree with them that they should be down on the game, and raided this thread to try and prevent any positivity from taking hold. This happens in seemingly EVERY positive thread here, indicating it's not "toxic positivity and white knights" we have here, it's "toxic negativity and black knights".

The mud slinging almost always starts when someone posts something positive - either in their own thread (like this one) or as a comment in another thread - and the "black knights" go on to invalidate the positivity. And thus the cycle begins. It's almost always the black knights starting this fighting - which they immediately blame on the white knights that don't exist. Reading through a lot of threads here in General lately, I don't see many or even any "blind positive white knights". People saying the game isn't horribad right now are generally doing so by offering actual reasons.

TBH a lot of people who claim to be offering "constructive criticism" really enjoy attacking and destroying others arguments on here for the hell of it. They also enjoy pointing out any issue they can find in others instead of trying to understand the main point the positive poster is getting at. That seems extra toxic doesn't it? It’s the worse toxicity of the two by far.

I retract. Never you mind the inquiry, you answered it of your own free will. That's the issue we're having here, in my own humble opinion. Here in this very post, you're doing exactly what the "Black Knights" are constantly taking issue with. Reducing all of their critique, valid or no, to nothing more than mindless negativity whilst raising any positivity or hope to near deific levels of benevolence. I find myself incapable of agreeing with this stance, personally. I've seen plenty of arguable toxicity of differing varieties from each and all factions both.

I've seen both "sides" be extremely hostile, denigrative and toxic but so long as any one poster shows their bias in only taking a stance when defending the position with which they've aligned themselves no amicable solution can be met.

The people offering positivity often have some critiques of the game, and even those that don't aren't "reactively overpositive", they're offering reasons behind why they think what they think. Rationally disagreeing with a person who is negative does not make one toxic.

It seems that the toxic negative black knights also severely overestimate how constructive and non-combative they are as a whole. Some individuals are exceptions, but on the whole, the black knight brigade is a problem here as it attacks any positive feedback. And positive feedback IS feedback.

Some of what you say may well be accurate. All the same, you make the opposite mistake in this post and underestimate just how petty and vindictive some of the "positive" posters can be and have been in the very immediate past. We have people in this very thread who claim their opinion represents the vast majority of players and posters who go on unhinged rants against dissenters with regularity.

Quite frankly, I do not know if any can claim the moral high ground here. Certainly very few to none I've seen.

[Atelier-Bagur]

As a wise man once said, it is what it is. You attack every single complaint thread, amongst with your little brigade of posters that I cant even name because there's quite a few, and you get the same back, especially when the thread is as non-genuine as this one, just made because there was a thread that was talking negatively about the LL.

TLDR : Deal with it.

Buddy, you cant really say stuff like this when you're doing the exact same thing. Stop acting like you're the exception when youre clearly not.

If you're going to make retorts at least make them have some modicum of sense.