Counterpoint to all the Debbie Downers lately...

[Kazhar]

So be it. I call things as I see them. Whether it's down to our cultural differences or not it was very clear it was an attempt to put down men at the expense of elevating one of the worst female characters in the entire franchise.

"Slay queen!" scenes do not work for me.

I don't have much love for the Scions but I'd say this is a huge reach. It's not about putting down men in general, just the classical "character with inflated ego gets humiliated" trope.

But in any case, is this really that important for you?
Your insistence on dying on every possible hill is your own downfall. Instead of choosing your fights, you try to argue all of your issues with the game, even those that are incredibly minor (and frankly impossible to defend like the Magnai thing.) The idea is noble but in reality with that attitude you lose permanently your chance of being heard when that truly matters.

[aveyond-dreams]

But in any case, is this really that important for you?

Given how it's infected quite a lot of the franchises and media and I enjoy, yes. In any case if someone agrees or disagrees with my positions that is no one's business but theirs. People need to learn to write better stories and better characters.

I will continue advocating for stuff along the lines of Estinien/Ysayle or Jill/Clive dynamics while the little sun scene enjoyers are free to do the same. From my perspective its as if Lizzo was asked out by someone at Brad Pitt levels of conventional attractiveness and then she proceeded to pull a yas queen slay moment on him. Miss me with this.

[Aword3213]

Given how it's infected quite a lot of the franchises and media and I enjoy, yes. In any case if someone agrees or disagrees with my positions that is no one's business but theirs. People need to learn to write better stories and better characters.

I will continue advocating for stuff along the lines of Estinien/Ysayle or Jill/Clive dynamics while the little sun scene enjoyers are free to do the same. From my perspective its as if Lizzo was asked out by someone at Brad Pitt levels of conventional attractiveness and then she proceeded to pull a yas queen slay moment on him. Miss me with this.

[Skivvy]

Given how it's infected quite a lot of the franchises and media and I enjoy, yes. In any case if someone agrees or disagrees with my positions that is no one's business but theirs. People need to learn to write better stories and better characters.

[B]I will continue advocating for stuff along the lines of Estinien/Ysayle or Jill/Clive dynamics while the little sun scene enjoyers are free to do the same. From my perspective its as if Lizzo was asked out by someone at Brad Pitt levels of conventional attractiveness and then she proceeded to pull a yas queen slay moment on him. Miss me with this.

So taking this stance with game characters is a tiny red flag, and now you're applying it to real people which is something else.

What's exactly wrong with Lizzo turning down Brad Pitt? She's an incredibly successful woman, she seems to be pretty decent/down to earth, she's well liked and confident, and since it seems to matter to you so much, I personally think she's gorgeous. But even if she wasn't all those things, why would it be an issue if she turned down the advances from someone she didn't like? Should the "ugly" people of the world be thankful they get any attention at all? Do they have to go along with whatever the more attractive person wants simply because they weren't blessed at birth? Or maybe it's just in the manner in which they are allowed to speak to the beautiful ones?

Beauty is subjective, and not finding someone attractive is fine, but several of your comments seem to imply that self-worth should be tied to how attractive you consider them to be. I don't toss around the term lightly, but I truly hope you're trolling at this point. That's a horrible mindset to have, and if it is indeed how you weigh social interactions, I feel for the people in your life.

[Thenightvortex]

I don't have much love for the Scions but I'd say this is a huge reach. It's not about putting down men in general, just the classical "character with inflated ego gets humiliated" trope.

I think Aveyond has a point primarily for the reason of how the reverse situation would be treated. It’s very unlikely that in today’s climate they would allow for a scene where a woman asks a man out and then gets put down by him and this is seen as some cool moment and haha lol her ego got crushed. And even if they did that, which is already extremely unlikely, the community would sure as hell not treat those characters the same way. Just look at all the people who love Sadu and dislike Magnai even though all criticism of one can be applied to another.