I don't want to see any of the other Scions in 7.0.

[TowaIsBestGirl]

Admittedly, sometimes Kingdoms are pretty fun. The form of governance aside, it would be nice to visit a Kingdom or similar hegemony that isn't the primary antagonistic force of the expansion for once. Final Fantasy XIV has already done the stereotypical evil ruler and sometimes pope, so why not save a Kingdom from an external threat this time? Like the Kingdom of Voeburt from Shadowbringers before it's fall, or the Elvaan empire decimated by the Flood of Light. I found the desiccated lore of those nations rather fun, and think it'd be nice to visit and help such a place before they sink under the sea or are rendered hollowed out husks.

[aveyond-dreams]

Admittedly, sometimes Kingdoms are pretty fun. The form of governance aside, it would be nice to visit a Kingdom or similar hegemony that isn't the primary antagonistic force of the expansion for once. Final Fantasy XIV has already done the stereotypical evil ruler and sometimes pope, so why not save a Kingdom from an external threat this time? Like the Kingdom of Voeburt from Shadowbringers before it's fall, or the Elvaan empire decimated by the Flood of Light. I found the desiccated lore of those nations rather fun, and think it'd be nice to visit and help such a place before they sink under the sea or are rendered hollowed out husks.

Likewise, back in Shadowbringers I ate up every and any lore I could find on those two kingdoms. The aesthetics were just so on point especially in the case of Lakeland and both the ruined castle there along with the Grand Cosmos.

Benevolent monarchs are very much a thing, despite the way the game seemed to try and paint them with the former leaders of the empire and Ala Mhigo...while Nanamo seemingly wanders around the halls of her palace in Ul'dah doing not much of anything I can take interest in.

There are loads of us who, when we have to be selective as to what game world we want to spend time in, will easily choose the world that delivers on the sort of fantasy that kingdoms, grand duchies, empires, etc. bring. I may have at one point been willing to entertain a system like Sharlayan's but we can't even get a decent republic with some intrigue after they declawed the nation in Endwalker. So, if that's all we can get copypasted several times over throughout the world, I can't see myself sticking around for the same in 7.0.

At least FFXVI seems to be delivering on the sort of world elements I like to see in abundance. We get a Grand Duchy we can fight to save, an Empire whose cultural lore has seemingly been developed extensively, a kingdom shrouded in mystery, and even a hint at things not all being well within the Dhalmekian Republic, given Hugo's direct criticism of his country's parliament. Meanwhile in FFXIV once the story reaches the point where the liberated nation XYZ now is in the process of forming its new democratic system we're expected to hooray! And readily accept this as inherently good.

All that's done is suck magic out of the world nation by nation, and I don't want to play a story that has me doing the same thing again to yet another country the Scions feel the need to go "liberate."

[TowaIsBestGirl]

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I felt like the manner in which Final Fantasy XV handled monarchies was rather enjoyable. Not always framed as in the right, General Glauca's primary motive was that he felt not enough was being done for non-Insomnian refugees and citizens and he was far from the only individual who saw Regis' Kingdom and people as a more antagonistic force. While the game largely painted Insomnia as the good guys, it was nice to see too separate sides represented semi-equally. I imagine the primary reason Kingsglaive Titus was framed as the aggressor is due to his violent and radical methods, but otherwise his motivations were largely sympathetic.

All of this just goes to say while there's nothing inherently wrong about non-monarchic settings, it doesn't feel like Final Fantasy XIV has done this quite yet and it would simply be nice to see in my humble opinion. Heavensward got the closest, but then Thordan kinda kickstarted the apple barrel's spoiling and so it all went splat in the end. I never quite felt like it went as far as Titus/Glauca and his subordinates did, even if most of that lore comes from side-content lore like the Kingsglaive movie.

[OvernightSiren]

Dude I wish I could "like" this ten times. The ONLY thing I liked about the base Endwalker story was the implication at the end that the Scions were disbanding. I was hapyp that maybe I wouldn't have to see another fakeout death from Y'shtola in the future or more of the same again and again...

...then literally the VERY next major patch, they're back. Where is the emotional weight of them disbanding?

If someone is playing XIV MSQ for the first time as-of 6.3, they can see the scions disbanding and reforming in less than 10 minutes of gameplay. They need to just get rid of them and maybe have them make VERY SMALL cameos/sidequests in the future.

[EliaStormblade]

There is a way to not see any of the other Scions in 7.0

Unsub.

[TaleraRistain]

Dude I wish I could "like" this ten times. The ONLY thing I liked about the base Endwalker story was the implication at the end that the Scions were disbanding. I was hapyp that maybe I wouldn't have to see another fakeout death from Y'shtola in the future or more of the same again and again...

...then literally the VERY next major patch, they're back. Where is the emotional weight of them disbanding?

If someone is playing XIV MSQ for the first time as-of 6.3, they can see the scions disbanding and reforming in less than 10 minutes of gameplay. They need to just get rid of them and maybe have them make VERY SMALL cameos/sidequests in the future.

They didn't disband. You missed the next part of the cutscene. Alphinaud says that's what the story will be. They told the outside world they disbanded and keep the truth among themselves.

[Mimilu]

They didn't disband. You missed the next part of the cutscene. Alphinaud says that's what the story will be. They told the outside world they disbanded and keep the truth among themselves.

But it's still horrible paced though. (●´ω｀●)ゞ
"Oh, we're going to let people think we disbanded and lay low for a bit."
4/7 of the main-battle Scions come back the next patch.

Another issues I have is that it feels like focus shifted to Y'shtola for no real reason.
They advertised 6.1 as being a brand new adventure, where we return to our adventuring roots and go on a fun treasure hunt with Estinien, which we do but immediately once we get to the end of the dungeon, she spearheads us into her world-traversal plot. Y'shtola's one of the scions who regularly take the leadership position (along side Thancred and Alphinaud depending what needs to be done) so it just feels like we're back to business as usual.
It doesn't help that she's been getting a lot of the cutesy fanservice bits (sleeping on a pile books, froth and foam, her interactions with Zero, etc.). (；´д｀)ゞ

[Zachia]

I'm like 99% sure this is a troll thread to offend every player who actually enjoys the game and story. I love my scions and wish to see a lot more of them. They genuinely make me happy to be around and i love when the story involves them. Great job op, you and your several other threads have bothered me, you can move on to greater heights elsewhere.

[Mimilu]

I'm like 99% sure this is a troll thread to offend every player who actually enjoys the game and story. I love my scions and wish to see a lot more of them. They genuinely make me happy to be around and i love when the story involves them. Great job op, you and your several other threads have bothered me, you can move on to greater heights elsewhere.

Just because someone has an opinion you don't like automatically makes them a troll. (●´∀｀●)
A person can like something and still see flaws in it and voicing their opinions in a constructive way is in-service of that.
Instead of shooting other's opinions down, maybe you could show your support of the Scions and the story by articulating what it is you like about them in a civil and constructive manner. ヾ(・∀・｀*)ﾉ☆

[Zachia]

Other than alphie being annoying because he felt above everyone else in ARR, and got better in Heavensward, to actually being enjoyable in Stormblood there is absolutely nothing wrong with them? Who cares if they don't die to tragedies? They are friendly, lovable, relatable, and have personalities unlike a lot of players in most video games who's personality boils down "me kill and get loot, me happy" or "me have biggest dps, me the bestest". The scions are written to actually care about you (WoL) and thats a welcome change that i don't experience in most video games let alone real life. I don't need some advance complicated character who goes through 20 hoops to get to some plot twist in the end. I enjoy simple things and most of these people just want the scions to die because their lives arent at risk in the story? I mean its a MMORPG the good guys are always going to win in the end. We may or may not lose some characters but you the main character will always live, and will always win in the end in one form or another. OP has several threads he has posted up which is just sheer negativity, it makes it look like he's actively trying to say that everything about the game sucks and such negativity suits no one. He seeks attention, and negative attention seekers are more likely trolls.