Please more housing wards soon. And no more FC/Private Hybrid.

[Khryseis_Astra]

I did find something to bid on. But as always it's gonna be a ''Better luck next time''

Wishing you luck! <3

[Reinha]

It’s not that I won’t make an FC, it’s that I already belong to an actual FC and I’m not leaving it to make a fake one for what amounts to a personal house and screwing over everyone else who also belongs to an actual FC that has to suffer through the personal lotto hell. As I’ve said, I won’t judge anyone desperate enough to do it, I get it, but let’s just admit it’s a selfish thing to do with the current situation.

Oh yeah I forgot about this self inflicted struggle: feeling morally superior for bidding on the type of house one is less likely to win that also uses up a plot on the server.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

It’s not that I won’t make an FC, it’s that I already belong to an actual FC and I’m not leaving it to make a fake one for what amounts to a personal house and screwing over everyone else who also belongs to an actual FC that has to suffer through the personal lotto hell.

*Looks at the 20 FC plots in Mist wards 1-6 alone on Gilgamesh, one of the biggest servers.*

Yeah, FCs are truly struggling to get a home. Think of the FCs who have to suffer 0 bid odds on the monthly! The horror. /s

If you want to bring in the selfish angle / morally correct angle, isn't you taking up a personal plot screwing over some poor soul who might also be stuck in the personal lotto hell? Wouldn't it actually be more morally correct to take an FC house so that way someone else can claim that personal plot, meaning two people get a plot instead of one? You should be doing your duty to give as many others a chance at a plot by staying our of the personal lotto to increase their odds!

If you don't want to go trough the effort of making a shell FC to get a home, that's your decision. Just don't pretend you're being moral about it when the alternative is actually more moral to giving as many people as possible access to housing due to the immensely vast overabundance of FC housing vs actual minuscule demand.

Also, speaking as someone who's actively a part of three different FCs on Balmung for RP purposes: If your FC won't make a LS/CWLS to make sure you can stay in contact if you chose to leave, or wouldn't accept you parking an alt in there, then maybe those people aren't exactly friends if they won't do the minimum effort required.

Expecting others that have been on their servers for years to move just to have a chance at housing is ridiculous. Again, it’s hypocritical to say they want housing to foster community, then expect leaving that community to be a “solution” to the scarcity problem they created. There should be enough plots per server and if there’s not, they need to consider other options, like instanced. And they never should have reopened Crystal!

As I said in my previous post, you either work with the limitations of the system, or you deal with your self inflicted punishment (Though I agree that they should have kept Crystal locked) - a golden instant win ticket exists for anyone willing to work within the limitations (even bigger golden tickets to come soon). Besides, fostering community is irrelevant in the day & age of DC travel, people going to Dynamis don't have to give up anything, not even their former communities due to CWLS's besides the minor inconvenience of having to DC travel to play with friends. This ain't SHB & below where transferring meant leaving everyone & everything behind.

[Nepentha]

Because it’s not one size fits all here… personally I’m trying to relocate. I have a dream plot I bid on when it’s up, but I’m not winning any of the low bid “starter homes” either. And I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen any zero bid plots! In fact, let’s just forget the whole “starter home” concept, since relocating is just about impossible now. As I’m trying to relocate my main, that’s one factor against server transfer for me. My alt doesn’t need a house, and my main can’t access it even if they got one. It’s not that I won’t make an FC, it’s that I already belong to an actual FC and I’m not leaving it to make a fake one for what amounts to a personal house and screwing over everyone else who also belongs to an actual FC that has to suffer through the personal lotto hell. As I’ve said, I won’t judge anyone desperate enough to do it, I get it, but let’s just admit it’s a selfish thing to do with the current situation.

The new servers were added so new players could make characters there, so we won’t have hour plus login queues for 7.0. A few bonuses got some people with no real roots to their server to transfer, and a bunch of people to make alts there. Expecting others that have been on their servers for years to move just to have a chance at housing is ridiculous. Again, it’s hypocritical to say they want housing to foster community, then expect leaving that community to be a “solution” to the scarcity problem they created. There should be enough plots per server and if there’s not, they need to consider other options, like instanced. And they never should have reopened Crystal!

I’m seeing the divide on this issue: some people play this game as an MMO, with other people and create community. Some people play this game like it’s a solo RPG and as long as they can get theirs, they don’t see any problem.

There comes a time when you (general you) have to admit to yourself that remaining on a server that has (for years!) been notoriously crowded, you also accept that resources like housing are going to be scarce. In that event, you have to take opportunities when they are available to you. Creating an FC in order to buy a house is a clever, not selfish. Bidding on a small, not so desirable plot that other people aren't likely to bid on is wise when you have /no plot/ to speak of yet.

What's ludicrous is you stubbornly staying on a server you know to be overcrowded (for years!) and thinking you should get the exact house you want handed to you on a silver platter. Not in the current state housing is, especially not on Balmung.

Do I want housing changed? Yes. But we have to be realistic about the here and now.

[Khryseis_Astra]

Yeah, FCs are truly struggling to get a home. Think of the FCs who have to suffer 0 bid odds on the monthly! The horror. /s

Yeah that was kinda my point… I was responding to those that said keeping the FC wards as-is was more important than personal buyers getting those unwanted houses to bid on.

If you want to bring in the selfish angle / morally correct angle, isn\\\\'t you taking up a personal plot screwing over some poor soul who might also be stuck in the personal lotto hell? Wouldn\\\\'t it actually be more morally correct to take an FC house so that way someone else can claim that personal plot, meaning two people get a plot instead of one? You should be doing your duty to give as many others a chance at a plot by staying our of the personal lotto to increase their odds!

If I weren’t trying to relocate, you might have a point. I could make an FC with my alt, and then I’d have 2 houses, with the one I actually want, being unusable by my main. I want to move and give someone else a chance at my current house. Taking up two doesn’t help anyone.

In that event, you have to take opportunities when they are available to you. Creating an FC in order to buy a house is a clever, not selfish. Bidding on a small, not so desirable plot that other people aren\\\\'t likely to bid on is wise when you have /no plot/ to speak of yet.

What\\\\'s ludicrous is you stubbornly staying on a server you know to be overcrowded (for years!) and thinking you should get the exact house you want handed to you on a silver platter. Not in the current state housing is, especially not on Balmung

Not sure if you were replying to multiple people, but you quoted me. To clarify, I have a house already, I’m trying to relocate, I’m currently in an FC, I do bid on not-so-desirable smalls quite frequently in between the rare occasions my favorite comes up and I’m not on Balmung. lol

Beyond my personal opinion behind not wanting to create a solo FC, it’s not about any kind of “moral superiority.” It’s just not a solution that works for me, even if it wouldn’t make me feel like I was giving myself a golden ticket at someone else’s expense. I have a house, an FC room and an apartment, all filled to capacity. I have 8 retainers, almost all filled to capacity. And I can’t share anything with my alt… you can only hold 140 things in personal inventory at a time, and only trade 5 items at a time. And most of it is binding and can’t be traded anyways. So my alt would have an empty house, that my main can’t share in any meaningful way unless both my characters leave the FC I already belong to. And my main still has a personal house I don’t want.

And yeah maybe it won’t do any good but I’m still going to campaign for changes, because ultimately the current system isn’t sustainable.

[Stormpeaks]

Yeah that was kinda my point… I was responding to those that said keeping the FC wards as-is was more important than personal buyers getting those unwanted houses to bid on.



If I weren’t trying to relocate, you might have a point. I could make an FC with my alt, and then I’d have 2 houses, with the one I actually want, being unusable by my main. I want to move and give someone else a chance at my current house. Taking up two doesn’t help anyone.



Not sure if you were replying to multiple people, but you quoted me. To clarify, I have a house already, I’m trying to relocate, I’m currently in an FC, I do bid on not-so-desirable smalls quite frequently in between the rare occasions my favorite comes up and I’m not on Balmung. lol

Beyond my personal opinion behind not wanting to create a solo FC, it’s not about any kind of “moral superiority.” It’s just not a solution that works for me, even if it wouldn’t make me feel like I was giving myself a golden ticket at someone else’s expense. I have a house, an FC room and an apartment, all filled to capacity. I have 8 retainers, almost all filled to capacity. And I can’t share anything with my alt… you can only hold 140 things in personal inventory at a time, and only trade 5 items at a time. And most of it is binding and can’t be traded anyways. So my alt would have an empty house, that my main can’t share in any meaningful way unless both my characters leave the FC I already belong to. And my main still has a personal house I don’t want.

And yeah maybe it won’t do any good but I’m still going to campaign for changes, because ultimately the current system isn’t sustainable.

This my friends is what happens when you put everybody else before yourself. You care so much about everyone else that well.. you have nothing that you'd like to have in the end, but hey at least you can feel good about everyone else getting their dream plots while you get.. nothing. /shrug lmao

Meanwhile I have everything that I'd like on EU, and I'm pretty sure it could be done on Dynamis as well, because I put myself before others, I dont see why I would care about others that want a house, sorry not sorry, housing is scarce and I care about myself before caring about others

[Reinha]

I have a house, an FC room and an apartment, all filled to capacity. I have 8 retainers, almost all filled to capacity. And I can’t share anything with my alt… you can only hold 140 things in personal inventory at a time, and only trade 5 items at a time. And most of it is binding and can’t be traded anyways. So my alt would have an empty house, that my main can’t share in any meaningful way unless both my characters leave the FC I already belong to.

Hey you do what works for you but I wanted to give a small tip to anyone reading.

If someone were to make an fc with 4 alts and keep their main in another fc, they can have someone else add all 5 characters to a linkshell (or make a new one). This allows one to right-click a character in the linkshell and see the fc plate like you would from a housing placard, which allows one to join the fc on other characters even before the fc has a house. The main can join, turn-in some gear to rank up the fc, leave gil + furniture + other items in the alt fc bank and then leave to go back in the original fc (which may require someone else's invite). And if the alt fc already has a house one can just dump furniture directly in it.

[Nepentha]

And yeah maybe it won’t do any good but I’m still going to campaign for changes, because ultimately the current system isn’t sustainable.

It was a general you, though your points brought out my response. I'm glad you have what you have. In fact, it only strengthens my argument. Don't judge other people for being clever by creating an FC in order to get a house. You already have what you want, don't be riding a moral high horse at people who don't. And don't be making excuses for people refusing to try something new, a new server, to get what they want.

I understand why folks may be reluctant to leave. But there's a price for staying on servers people /know/ are overcrowded (and have been for years!) and that price is you may not get the house of your dreams... or any house at all.

[Yuniko]

another loss. woo.... *sigh*

[Khryseis_Astra]

another loss. woo.... *sigh*

Same here… *hugs* another one a little higher up on my list opened up though (5th choice as opposed to the 6th choice I just lost! lol), so I guess that’s what I’ll try for next time. Only 2 other smalls open next round so far so we’ll see… every small was between 10-14 bids this time, so there’s at least a good 50 people actively trying for a small. Maybe whoever wins the medium or large that are still unclaimed will open up something a couple more to spread out the bids.

Not sure what your general play time hours are, but if you’re going to be on this Saturday, let me know when and I’ll try to find you and send a friend request.