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    Player Shinkuno's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    How many players would end up happy that their class/job is fun to play if it also meant they were being excluded from content because it performed poorly compared to the rest?
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    This already happens. This is what people like you dont get. IT ALREADY HAPPENS, we have this fucked up homogenized mess and they still cant balance their game.
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erinellza View Post
    100% this! I hate custom builds in MMOs because people still force that one best meta build on everyone and if you don't play that meta build, you get kicked out of groups. Sure, you can have a custom build for solo stuff but forget about it if you want to do group content. Source: I also play ESO and GW2 where custom builds and heavily enforced meta builds exist. I'm so glad I don't have to deal with that crap in XIV.
    This is the main reason why custom builds could never work. There are meta builds, and then there's everything else. Want to do Raids or Strikes(Trials)? Too bad, you need that meta build or you're likely not getting in the group. Trying to heal or buff without an optimal build? Get out we can get somebody better.

    As much as I love GW2, I won't deny the amount of pigeonholing that the playerbase does for anything that's considered high level content. For a good example of a class that's completely pigeonholed, Druid. You are healing/supporting as a Druid, period. You will not do damage builds, you will not do anything less than optimal, and you WILL do every mechanic because only a few people need to know them and the rest of the group is too lazy to learn how to do A SIMPLE MECHANIC THAT TAKES LESS THAN 5 MINUTES TO LEARN. Sincerely, a player who was stuck in Druid jail for 4 years.
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    Skill trees or custom builds come up every now and again and every time it has to be said that no matter what the only build that will be acceptable is the optimal one. Doesn't matter if all of them can clear content or even perform well in the most difficult content, the community will insist on everyone following the optimal build at all times or they will be removed from parties. Even with the slight difference in performance we have with the jobs now there are some that are excluded from PF simply because they don't perform as well as others, not because they cannot clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    I agree with the first statement since it's pretty much where classes/jobs in all MMORPGs end up.

    The problem comes from the last.

    How many players would end up happy that their class/job is fun to play if it also meant they were being excluded from content because it performed poorly compared to the rest?

    Very few would if they play content where performance matters. Thus the balance hole gets dug.
    lmao literally who cares when you can easily play any single job in this game at max level

    opinions from one-trick ponies should be massively discounted

    this isn't like lost ark where you have to cough up real money to level another job to raid ready level
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    If you aren't doing Savage or clearing Savage week 1-2, you shouldn't be concerned about balance in this game at all
    What does it matter if a certain job is worse than another if you aren't doing that content at that level
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunkygladiator View Post
    lmao literally who cares when you can easily play any single job in this game at max level

    opinions from one-trick ponies should be massively discounted

    this isn't like lost ark where you have to cough up real money to level another job to raid ready level



    Well, in that case your opinion is massively discounted because your one trick is being a forum troll. Maybe two tricks since your other is obviously an rmt bot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    If you aren't doing Savage or clearing Savage week 1-2, you shouldn't be concerned about balance in this game at all
    What does it matter if a certain job is worse than another if you aren't doing that content at that level
    You gravely underestimate the degree to which people will curate PF groups based on job performance. A difference of 1-2% is enough to get you turned away from a surprising number of groups.
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    It seems to me like a lot of these complaints are things that have been in the game since time immemorial. Not saying these are things that do not need addressing or could use a shake up, but I do not know why people suddenly think the game is as good as dead because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurlstone View Post
    It seems to me like a lot of these complaints are things that have been in the game since time immemorial. Not saying these are things that do not need addressing or could use a shake up, but I do not know why people suddenly think the game is as good as dead because of it.
    Because for some reason it's currently "hip" to be a doomer and they're all trying to change the game into what they imagine it should be. If I didn't know this was the FFXIV forums, I could have sworn I walked into GW2's subreddit pre-EoD (imagine this in a full subreddit where you get downvoted for saying ANYTHING good about the game).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Because for some reason it's currently "hip" to be a doomer and they're all trying to change the game into what they imagine it should be. If I didn't know this was the FFXIV forums, I could have sworn I walked into GW2's subreddit pre-EoD (imagine this in a full subreddit where you get downvoted for saying ANYTHING good about the game).



    The XIV forums have been doom and gloom since the start. Even 2.0 didn't improve that. There's a reason there was a running thread titled "the many deaths of ffxiv". Pretty sure the OP of that just got bored of it. They still play though.
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