What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[aveyond-dreams]

It was actually pretty nice to not be a cosmic savior or whatever.

A pity that as of late every opportunity to depower and reset the WoL's power level has been squandered, not to mention we still carry around the accursed Azem stone whose all but lost its wow factor due to how repeatedly overused its been.

[VelKallor]

A pity that as of late every opportunity to depower and reset the WoL's power level has been squandered, not to mention we still carry around the accursed Azem stone whose all but lost its wow factor due to how repeatedly overused its been.

Why would we do that? What possible reason would we have to do that? Who wants a weaker hero?

You make no sense.

[Arkdra]

Why would we do that? What possible reason would we have to do that? Who wants a weaker hero?

You make no sense.

The stakes of cosmic power level shit is just different and some people don't like that kind of stuff. There's a big difference in expectations once you start dealing with god level powers and saving the universe vs. fighting some dudes and saving a village. For my money, I definitely prefer more generally grounded stories, they feel more personal. But I don't mind the high power stuff, just not my preference.

[Absurdity]

Why would we do that? What possible reason would we have to do that? Who wants a weaker hero?

You make no sense.

Not really that complicated, because it destroys all stakes that the story could have.

In Endwalker we defeated what was basically the devil, then defeated god and went on to use the power of friendship to defeat entropy.

What could they even throw at us with our current power level that could be remotely threatening?

[RyuDragnier]

Not really that complicated, because it destroys all stakes that the story could have.

In Endwalker we defeated what was basically the devil, then defeated god and went on to use the power of friendship to defeat entropy.

What could they even throw at us with our current power level that could be remotely threatening?

A person who can body swap. Seriously, imagine an expansion for 8.0 starting with a guy STEALING our body (like In From the Cold), forcing us to basically have to pull an Ascian and take control of a dead person's body for an entire zone. By the end, we've essentially warped the corpse into being similar to our body, but the guy running around in our original body has insane power due to our many adventures. So we're forced to fight the most dangerous force on Etheirys for a few expansions...ourself.

[Dikatis]

What could they even throw at us with our current power level that could be remotely threatening?

WoL isn't bulletproof. You can point a gun at them from behind and they'd have to stick their hands up. You could drug/poison them, have them escape traps in temples, threaten to drop them over a pit of spikes.

We beat the Endsinger because of the nature of Ultima Thule as a place where thoughts and emotions can become reality. They're not going to be tanking extinction events left and right at home.

Heck, you can threaten WoL but not threatening them directly but by threatening something they're trying to protect. People, a place, something needed to unlock something. There's plenty of ways to ratchet up stakes even if they're tough enough to handle almost anyone 1v1.

[BRVV]

WoL isn't bulletproof. You can point a gun at them from behind and they'd have to stick their hands up. You could drug/poison them, have them escape traps in temples, threaten to drop them over a pit of spikes.

That will surely happen. I mean it's not like characters, say the Exarch or Ryne can get shot and survive easily. The writing already told us that we are stupid for caring for consequences.

We beat the Endsinger because of the nature of Ultima Thule as a place where thoughts and emotions can become reality. They're not going to be tanking extinction events left and right at home.

Don't worry they will come up with a new Deus-Ex-Machina for the next "god"!

Heck, you can threaten WoL but not threatening them directly but by threatening something they're trying to protect. People, a place, something needed to unlock something. There's plenty of ways to ratchet up stakes even if they're tough enough to handle almost anyone 1v1.

We can travel through space and time and have access to a place that can create life and matter out of emotions. Ultima Thule to bring back the deceased? Since we are so powerful who will dare to cross us? How will they threaten us? Even back when the Garleans took Minfillia in she was fine for several quests. Just chillin' with the enemy. Capturing a friend will just be a vacation for them.

[Carin-Eri]

Heck, you can threaten WoL but not threatening them directly but by threatening something they're trying to protect. People, a place, something needed to unlock something. There's plenty of ways to ratchet up stakes even if they're tough enough to handle almost anyone 1v1.

Are they? I mean, most of the WoL's fights involved being part of a team - usually Adventurers or the Scions. Rarely did they face a foe 1v1 - and one, (in)famous example of when they did was Zenos in 'In Crimson It Began' - and he kicked our ass!

And I certainly got the impression that the WoL wouldn't have beaten the Endsinger 1 on 1 if it had come to that.

[BRVV]

Zenos in 'In Crimson It Began' - and he kicked our ass!

We kicked his ass now though. With our "new" dynamis powers!

Also i don't see why we won't have WoL from the crystal again. If in the future we have to fight alone the writers better make a good explanation as to why. We can summon those crystal WoL, we have a ton of friends and dynamis on our side. Will we ever truly fight alone again? Add the fact that the story is about friendship and i don't think we will have a serious, not a training, fight alone. To dig the hole deeper: if a new antagonist is somehow stronger than us then please explain why we have been told to be the bestest in everything since pretty much the beginning. We also have crystal mommy super powers. Why and how should anyone even be stronger?

[RyuDragnier]

We kicked his ass now though. With our "new" dynamis powers!

Oh honey, we kicked his ass in Ala Mhigo without them, AND kicked his ass while he was possessing Shinryu.