This game is on a terrible state right now.

[Alleluia]

I think I've said this to you once, but I'm going to say it again: Do you genuinely think this game has nothing wrong with it?

What do you think the game has right with it, out of curiosity? This entire thread is dedicated to saying the game as a whole is "on a terrible state", but there must be something.

[Absimiliard]

What do you think the game has right with it, out of curiosity? This entire thread is dedicated to saying the game as a whole is "on a terrible state", but there must be something.

The music. No matter how much I have come to dislike the story and battle systems, one thing I just can't take away from it is the music. Soken is a truly gifted individual.

[Aword3213]

Because that's not what the people submitting feedback here are looking for. If you enjoy the game go play it. What will change our minds is when the Devs acknowledge the side of the population that wants lasting content, is asking for it, and provides it. Nothing you or anyone says will change that because the problem and arguments being made are not against you, or for you to fix. So the positive input is completely irrelevant. If you wish to provide encouragement and congratulations perhaps a thread that's titled as such would be appropriate.

Imagine asking your waiter to see if they can get you a better steak because they burnt the one they got you, and some other random customer butts in and tries to convince you your food is fine. Just why?

Unless you play on private server, we share the same steak.

I hope you're not asking for echo chamber. You can criticise the game. Some poeople are bound to have different opinions on that. You can say something is boring. Others can say they find it fun. They are both feedback. Positivity is not irrelevant.

That's how it's been for a while. It's easier to deny that people who are happy with how the game is overall are capable of allowing said enjoyment outweigh the few qualms they might have. Or for some people to insist that if they have been around as long as them that they too must also behave like chicken little or feel as though they're the boy who cried wolf at the end of the story. That there is no conceivable way that someone who's been around as long as them and even enjoyed some of the same things as them in the past could still have a bigger overall enjoyment of the game. It just gets tiring after awhile as these discussions don't go anywhere. Nothing anyone who might still have an optimistic or overall positive view says will change their minds.

I swear some people have most fragile ego. All it takes is a little disagreement, they resort to classic victimhood and think you're their archnemesis, the evil force that hold sway at SE headquarters, and the reason everything went down hill.

Listen, I get that you're trying to devalue the opinions of those you disagree with by making baseless inferences, but I don't think it's going to work quite how you hope it will. You're being too transparent with it. Try harder

See? They make it so easy.

1 single post of mine is enough to devalue opinions I disagree with, even though said post are a direct reply toward discussion regarding hostility toward venues/modder/Limsa AFKer.

So eager to be offended, so eager to be triggered.

[Alleluia]

The music. No matter how much I have come to dislike the story and battle systems, one thing I just can't take away from it is the music. Soken is a truly gifted individual.

Fair enough. Looking forward to his soundtrack in 16, as well, myself. The Awakening song is fire.

(... That was not an intentional pun on the whole ifrit/phoenix focus, but w/e I'm keeping it now.)

[Absimiliard]

See? They make it so easy.

1 single post of mine is enough to devalue opinions I disagree with, even though said post are a direct reply toward discussion regarding hostility toward venues/modder/Limsa AFKer.

So eager to be offended, so eager to be triggered.

Ahh, that's why you're so salty. Makes sense now.

On that note, please consider the following:

Most people really don't take issue with, or even care about, whether or not other players are using mods or third-party tools. That's not the problem. AFKers in Limsa aren't the problem either. The venues wouldn't be a problem if they kept to themselves, but they're not. They keep spilling out into all corners of the game. The near-constant stream of weird predatory crap going on in venue circles doesn't help either.

Fair enough. Looking forward to his soundtrack in 16, as well, myself. The Awakening song is fire.

(... That was not an intentional pun on the whole ifrit/phoenix focus, but w/e I'm keeping it now.)

This pun has been deemed acceptable by a jury of your peers. Carry on.

[SannaR]

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I'm not sure if you have or not. I do have a few things about the game that I feel it would be nice if they got fixed or changed. Yet as I said my overall enjoyment of the game out weighs any negative feelings I might have about certain aspects. Yet I'm fairly positive some here see me as a shill or a white knight. That the game and the devs can do no wrong. I just try to be realistic and fight against my normal dour and highly pessimistic nature. Heck I tend to be the kind of person who gets burnt out on the game just a few weeks before a patch drops. I also am fairly confident most of the gripes I have would be seen as either fully minor/niche stuff or crap everyone can agree should be changed in how it currently works. And ment to feel that they are totally insignificant and thusly be completely ignored.

They're tiring cause there are some who only seem to want to play the victim and claim those who disagree are gaslighting them. Happens on both sides. That the discourse has deteriorated to the point where it doesn't feel as there is any middle ground to be agreed on. That many seem to not have cared or paid attention in the past as to how the game over the years got changed to the one we have now. Which sure, maybe they were happy and didn't feel the need to speak up against those asking for change.

That those who try to bring logic or reason get thrown insults at them or get told they must not care about the game just as much. I know, I know trying to bring lol logic and reason to a discussion that's running on feelings. I don't think anyone in this thread or on this forum wants the game to crash and burn. Just that it'd be nice if the overall feeling from some didn't try to have it look as though the game is a plane that is seconds before crashing into the ground, on fire, with only one engine and five people are fighting over the one parachute. Then there are those who really are crapping on anything positive just cause there isn't enough things that they enjoy to do in the game or if there is they're more of a one and done type.

Or like with Orthos they don't find the challenges soloing or proging it with randoms is fun (I'm sure there has to be some who PF it and don't just grab friends/FC mates from the start) so they feel free to call it crap. Or to dismiss it. Or somehow it didn't innovate enough for them so again it's just easier to label it as complete trash. If not a waste of development time. Or that some despite Yoshida repeatedly trying to tamper people's expectations for IS went and over hyped it for themselves. Passing the blame of said over hyping onto the devs.

[Ath192]

Not that I entirely disagree with the premise, however...

This analogy works, and then it crashes when you come to the realization that the feedback you give still affects the product that others consume in the case of XIV. If you request a new steak because your one was burnt, then that is one thing, however, this is more in some cases the equivalent of telling the restaurant that they should change their dishes because they don't like them - That change then affects what others consume, and at that point, you would more than likely enter into a disagreement with other customers if this was stated publicly.

While this has some merit, the dishes don’t have to be changed for the past, it can stay as is. It has long been the position of a lot of these users that the game is perfectly fine, they do not need new content, and that they like playing other games instead of this one.

As such, if they want to run sastasha until they are on their deathbed to get moogle tomes for a slightly different earring so be it. We are asking for a change in direction for new content, something the user base arguing they are happy doesn’t seem to be interested in apparently seeing as there is barely any and they are still having a ball.

[SturmChurro]

As such, if they want to run sastasha until they are on their deathbed to get moogle tomes for a slightly different earring so be it. We are asking for a change in direction for new content, something the user base arguing they are happy doesn’t seem to be interested in apparently seeing as there is barely any and they are still having a ball.

I am someone who likes to glam in this game (when I am actually playing it), and I have literally said no to the grind to get just about every one of those little novelty earrings or whatever from the moogle events.

[Kaurhz]

While this has some merit, the dishes don’t have to be changed for the past, it can stay as is. It has long been the position of a lot of these users that the game perfectly fine, they do not need new content, and that they like playing other games instead of this one.

As such, if they want to run sastasha until they are on their deathbed to get moogle tomes for a slightly different earring so be it. We are asking for a change in direction for new content, something the user base arguing they are happy doesn’t seem to be interested in apparently seeing as there is barely any and they are still having a ball.

Dishes can stay as they are, however, my point was that your analogy would be more akin to players wanting to change the dish, which affects everyone (as does the product of XIV), or at the very least would be appropriate if everyone else were to share the steak. In other words, the result of that steak is that the outcome affects multiple people. Your comment would only apply if all players were eager to just simply play other games or AFK and/or engage in only one particular facet of the game, which is not the case and is a pathetically overused generalization

Not all players who disagree are eager to play other games, some are still quite happily playing this game. To look at the relic, for example. You may have the mindset that players should only be expected to grind for one relic and that the grind therein should be more tedious, which, frankly you're not wrong to think. However, conversely, there are players (like myself) who are of the mindset that all relics should be obtainable through the expansion and that the grind should proportionally match this outcome, e.g., 3000 tomes per relic is not a great deal, however when you multiply this across 19 classes you end up with players needing to collect upwards of 57,000 tomes which is still quite a significant grind, and frankly for a game which has a major selling point of being able to play and engage with all classes equally, I also think that this conclusion is not wrong either. Hence why I am not entirely against the direction of relics.

To put this in another way, we've effectively actually had exploration content since Heavensward if you were to count the earlier modelled Diadem in 3.1 as exploration content - Which it is - Then the conclusion can be reached that it effectively took them 4 years to innovate on exploration zones to add a singular raid, and an additional 1 year for the exploratory zone itself to amount to just more than FATEs, and if I were, to be frank, I personally think they should try something new, even if it comes at the expense of something that needs further refinement, e.g., Variant/Criterion.

It's really not as simple as "Oh they like to play Sastasha and run Moogle tomes for earrings - then they are therefore happy with the content and direction overall outside of that singular point in time, and therefore would have no qualms if changes were made outside of this". I'll be frank with you if I had to say the concept of an Island Sanctuary is quite good, with a lot of potential, and most especially if they were to able to eventually reach the heights they did with exploratory content then I wouldn't even bat an eyelid if it came at the expense of Exploratory zones.

Now, if you want to argue whether x should come at the expense of y then that's an entirely different discussion, which I frankly don't agree with, however, it just isn't that simple either. So with all due respect, when the implication is that x comes at the expense of y then you will always have a disagreement with people that are happy, especially if that means they like the premise of a particular piece of content and would like to see it's conclusion.

If we were to stick with the premise that people should only speak unless they're unhappy, and should go play the game if they are happy, then we will frankly only end up playing yoyo until we put another group of players in your shoes.

[Oizen]

I am someone who likes to glam in this game (when I am actually playing it), and I have literally said no to the grind to get just about every one of those little novelty earrings or whatever from the moogle events.

My character doesn't even have ears, and all earrings just clip have into my head/hair in a basically invisible spot.