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  1. #411
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    EvieLilou's Avatar
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    Asa Lyn
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    or you join Dynamis and get a house in a single round, the decision is yours.
    Excuse me, that's not quite how that works. Several of us on Dynamis for months are still trying to obtain a personal house. Even if you wait until the last day and there is 1 vote on a house (which has happened to me multiple times), other people can swoop in to vote. We cannot predict which houses will get votes, unless it's on prime locations. It's unfair to assume that people who are complaining about the housing situation and not having a home or even bigger home are always being greedy and only voting for prime plots. That is not the case for everyone, me included. I've actually put hours into tracking several plots and their winning numbers. A lot of good that does me, although I do see some trends...even if you predict a prime plot is going to have a winning number in the upper quarter of votes, you can't predict exactly where. Trust me, I've tried, haha. And then there are the plots which I thought I'd win due to 1-3 votes and still no.

    Imo, SE needs to fix its false scarcity and ensure that every player has a home. Figure it out. You advertise it to your players, and don't deliver. Unacceptable and one of the worst if not worst systems I've seen in my 30 years of gaming.
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  2. #412
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    Maya Jcb
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvieLilou View Post
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    Excuse me, that's not quite how that works. Several of us on Dynamis for months are still trying to obtain a personal house. Even if you wait until the last day and there is 1 vote on a house (which has happened to me multiple times), other people can swoop in to vote. We cannot predict which houses will get votes, unless it's on prime locations. It's unfair to assume that people who are complaining about the housing situation and not having a home or even bigger home are always being greedy and only voting for prime plots. That is not the case for everyone, me included. I've actually put hours into tracking several plots and their winning numbers. A lot of good that does me, although I do see some trends...even if you predict a prime plot is going to have a winning number in the upper quarter of votes, you can't predict exactly where. Trust me, I've tried, haha. And then there are the plots which I thought I'd win due to 1-3 votes and still no.

    Imo, SE needs to fix its false scarcity and ensure that every player has a home. Figure it out. You advertise it to your players, and don't deliver. Unacceptable and one of the worst if not worst systems I've seen in my 30 years of gaming.
    You went on Seraph, that's on you, the other 3 worlds have massive availability of houses.

    Halicarnassus has 3531 open plots, at least 0 of which are available for bidding.

    1693 plots have missing or outdated lottery data.

    This is for Halicarnassus alone, even if you remove the oudated ones, there are 1500 plots, on hali alone.
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  3. #413
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Odin
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    Seraph had at least 6 zero bid houses in the Goblet last round. Filter by "Individual" and all other lottery phases except "FCFS" (FCFS are the locked wards), Seraph still has 85 plots for individuals.

    https://zhu.codes/paissa?world=405&p...s=-1&tenants=4
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  4. #414
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    So, now we're not only being instructed on which DC to move to for housing, but which world? No thank you.
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  5. #415
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    If you think a shiro 30 or 60 is worth the same as a Mist 60, then I have absolutely nothing else to say to you in that regard, you are absolutely clueless about anything housing.

    And to clarify, I mean the value of it as a plot, not the gil value.
    That’s subjective though… plots have grades, and some plots may seem to be universally popular, but it depends on the people on a given server how popular it really ends up being. My dream plot is LB 59, a small, and I prefer the subdivision for the day/night angle. It’s probably the best views (again, my opinion) for a small and it’s off to itself, so it does get a lot of bids. Some of my other favorites though are grade 4s. And the bids vary wildly. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and all that. And I say that as someone who has one of the most popular mediums and is trying to downsize to a small.

    I’m not going for a prized plot because everyone else wants it or because it would make me feel special to have it. I want it so I can live in it, decorate it and take pretty pictures there. So I bid on it when it’s up, and when it’s not I pick something else on my list. Because I don’t really care about the address. What I care about is having the right size canvas for decorating.

    If instanced were actually implemented, I - like Jojoya said - would be thrilled if everyone could have the plot of their choice, popular plot or not. I’m someone who frequently wanders the wards to look at and appreciate other people’s interior and exterior design. It’s not “meh” when everyone can put their own unique spin on it! And I do that for apartments too, so an instanced housing directory wouldn’t bother me. But I guess I’m just clueless about housing… sigh
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  6. #416
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvieLilou View Post
    Lost by 1 again. 5 bids, number 4 won. Anyone have luck this round?
    Quote Originally Posted by EvieLilou View Post
    So, now we're not only being instructed on which DC to move to for housing, but which world? No thank you.
    Or bid on the zero bid Goblet houses instead of houses other people have already bid on.
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    Last edited by Reinha; 05-03-2023 at 04:15 AM.

  7. #417
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvieLilou View Post
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    Excuse me, that's not quite how that works. Several of us on Dynamis for months are still trying to obtain a personal house. Even if you wait until the last day and there is 1 vote on a house (which has happened to me multiple times), other people can swoop in to vote. We cannot predict which houses will get votes, unless it's on prime locations. It's unfair to assume that people who are complaining about the housing situation and not having a home or even bigger home are always being greedy and only voting for prime plots. That is not the case for everyone, me included. I've actually put hours into tracking several plots and their winning numbers. A lot of good that does me, although I do see some trends...even if you predict a prime plot is going to have a winning number in the upper quarter of votes, you can't predict exactly where. Trust me, I've tried, haha. And then there are the plots which I thought I'd win due to 1-3 votes and still no.

    Imo, SE needs to fix its false scarcity and ensure that every player has a home. Figure it out. You advertise it to your players, and don't deliver. Unacceptable and one of the worst if not worst systems I've seen in my 30 years of gaming.
    Everyone's situations can be different. So maybe you've just been really unlucky. I'm on a fairly populated server, so housing is very competitive. Near the end of the second lottery after they added the 6 new wards (5 personal/hybrid), I ran around some of the housing wards and checked what was available with about 15 minutes left. There were still smalls with 0 bids in non-FC areas. Going into the 3rd lottery, there were still people bemoaning their "luck" on getting a house. It wasn't luck for many of these people. It was greed. They wanted that perfect large that had 100 bids on it instead of the small with 0. And I understand that. But, these people need to learn probability. Get the small with 100% success near the end of the lottery period so you have something. Then you can bid on whatever you want in the next round of housing wards/areas.

    In this player's opinion, most players that don't have a house right now either got greedy or didn't really care to go for it. Or they are new and haven't had a chance to bid in one of the big drops of housing.
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  8. #418
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Or bid on the zero bid Goblet houses instead of houses with other people have already bid on.
    No thanks. No one wants those plots for a reason. Far from board, dead neighborhoods, etc. Just because I don't vote on the trashiest plots in the game doesn't mean I'm not entitled to an opinion or a good gripe.

    I prefer to vote on plots that tend to be middle of the road. Sometimes there are 2-5 votes on these types of plots. It makes wrong for going for a plot with that probability instead of going for a 100% garbage plot? Nope.
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  9. #419
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvieLilou View Post
    No thanks. No one wants those plots for a reason. Far from board, dead neighborhoods, etc. Just because I don't vote on the trashiest plots in the game doesn't mean I'm not entitled to an opinion or a good gripe.

    I prefer to vote on plots that tend to be middle of the road. Sometimes there are 2-5 votes on these types of plots. It makes wrong for going for a plot with that probability instead of going for a 100% garbage plot? Nope.
    So you admit that you are being difficult on the plot to bid on, and you'll bid on things with multiple bids instead of bidding on the one with 0.

    At least you're honest, I respect that, with that said, the problem is still on you.
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  10. #420
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    So you admit that you are being difficult on the plot to bid on, and you'll bid on things with multiple bids instead of bidding on the one with 0.

    At least you're honest, I respect that, with that said, the problem is still on you.
    As I've said previously, I've bid on lots of plots with 0 votes until the last minute. I'm not able to sit by the placards and bid at the very last minute every time.

    You are fighting very hard to prove some kind of point, indicating that I don't have the right to an opinion or my own way of voting.

    I'm not fighting to prove your way of thinking wrong, but I'm not going to sit down and accept this subpar facet of the game and the fact that housing is a feels-bad system for many.

    Have a lovely day. And good luck to those who are still voting. Next round starts tomorrow!
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