I don't want to see any of the other Scions in 7.0.

[Lunaxia]

Unlike a few people, I dont claim to speak for anyone but myself

Other than this tiny echo chamber, no one is saying that. No one.

That would be...yeah, just you and a few others here.

...and you speak for every player on every datacentre worldwide?

It's always amusing when someone manages to respond to themselves over the course of a thread, but a word of advice: when you're being that flamboyantly hypocritical, I wouldn't call further attention to it by doubling down on the incredibly unnecessary attitude problem.

As for the "who said the Scions were disbanding" topic, excluding the obvious bait-and-switch at the end of the expansion, I'm curious if anyone else distinctly recalls the dev team (possibly earlier on in Endwalker's development cycle) mentioning we would be parting ways/ bidding farewell to the Scions or at least a few beloved characters at the end of the story? I've tried digging up where I remember reading it, but there have been so many tweets and interviews it's impossible to find anything. The closest I found was the hysteria incited by Thancred's VA implying he'd be out of a job because he couldn't see where there'd be any room for him following the EP (although to be fair, I don't think it completely illogical to make such an inference even from that alone, especially coupled with the "end of the saga"/ "mega epic" rhetoric surrounding EW.)

[RitsukoSonoda]

Well Toyota discontinued the Scion brand a few years ago. So it's just a matter of the remaining vehicles needing to wear out or get wrecked...

[VelKallor]

, excluding the obvious bait-and-switch at the end of the expansion,

*sigh*

As has been stated in and out of game, the "disbanding" was more for show, i.e stepping back and making the city states learn to handle their own messes without the Scions intervention. It makes perfect sense, the major problem has been solved, the Scions cant have the city states running to them every time a problem crops up.

[TowaIsBestGirl]

The Scions can make one physically ill? But how can this be? Not only are they fictional pixels, even were they not they are perfectly polite. If the Scions make you ill, I suspect you may be.... a villain! A vile villain of darkness! Back, knave! Return to whence thoust came, I say!

[Lunaxia]

*sigh*

As has been stated in and out of game, the "disbanding" was more for show, i.e stepping back and making the city states learn to handle their own messes without the Scions intervention. It makes perfect sense, the major problem has been solved, the Scions cant have the city states running to them every time a problem crops up.

It's not the official status of the organisation that's really the point here, but the Scions themselves. They had a long, drawn-out cutscene heavily pushing the narrative that Thancred et al. would be off pursuing their own paths following the MSQ and we would all be going our own separate ways for a while, and this impression was only further consolidated by the dev team making out 6.1 to be a "return to our roots" as a (presumably lone, or at least, unaffiliated) adventurer starting a new journey. The bait-and-switch comes with them then proceeding to immediately plunge us into an adventure with... the same cast who had just made a show of bidding farewell to one another for the foreseeable, which I think most people would have anticipated meaning a fairly decent space of time in-game and a couple of patches worth of breathing room IRL at least, especially after two entire expansions with them. For those hoping for the chance to see some fresh faces, it felt misleading at best and pretty blatant false advertising at worst.

[SannaR]

It's not the official status of the organisation that's really the point here, but the Scions themselves. They had a long, drawn-out cutscene heavily pushing the narrative that Thancred et al. would be off pursuing their own paths following the MSQ and we would all be going our own separate ways for a while, and this impression was only further consolidated by the dev team making out 6.1 to be a "return to our roots" as a (presumably lone, or at least, unaffiliated) adventurer starting a new journey. The bait-and-switch comes with them then proceeding to immediately plunge us into an adventure with... the same cast who had just made a show of bidding farewell to one another for the foreseeable, which I think most people would have anticipated meaning a fairly decent space of time in-game and a couple of patches worth of breathing room IRL at least, especially after two entire expansions with them. For those hoping for the chance to see some fresh faces, it felt misleading at best and pretty blatant false advertising at worst.

And yet we didn't get the entire gang back together. You'd believe other wise with how some people talk on here. The only person in the post 6.0 patches that to me felt like they were hamfisted in was Urianger in 6.1. I mean heck we didn't even check in with the twins until now. Which again to some still wasn't a long enough time away. We've only had a quick check in with Thancred and haven't interacted with Urianger since he went to give his report on what one might find in a treasure vault to the loporrits. Same thing with G'Raha and Krile who at least in the MSQ we haven't spent much time with.

Would it have been better if the devs weren't so cagey when it comes to presenting some sense even if vague of time having passed? Maybe for some yes. A whole lot of others definitely not. We all know that unless the devs feel a side story really should be completed by X time in the MSQ that it will never assume you did things as they came out. Just that at some point in time the WoL most likely did go and do those things. Gah, I'd say more but the part of me that's wondering why it looks like Cloud attached a wolf's head door knocker to his shoulder guard would rather ponder that instead.

[Lunaxia]

And yet we didn't...

...that's a bit of a strange technicality. Does it need to be the entire cast for it to feel wearisome? Some might argue having half the group re-introduced the moment we resumed the story to be bad enough as it is, even if you were of the mind to find a single/ newer character like Estinien to be acceptable.

In-game timing is indeed a bit of an iffy topic, so let's say a story or so without their direct involvement would have been a decent yardstick for a "break" to give a sense of some time passing. Personally, I was hoping more for an expansion or so with them firmly in background/ consultant roles, but evidently Endwalker heralded more of a permanent change in the direction of the game's writing than I thought or wanted to admit. Still, a single story arc or so I think was more than a fair assumption with what we were initially shown.

[RyuDragnier]

Keep in mind that this is a filler arc. Nothing about it has really felt main story, at least IMO. You could have introduced it as a trial series and I wouldn't have noticed the difference.

[SannaR]

...that's a bit of a strange technicality. Does it need to be the entire cast for it to feel wearisome? Some might argue having half the group re-introduced the moment we resumed the story to be bad enough as it is, even if you were of the mind to find a single/ newer character like Estinien to be acceptable.

In-game timing is indeed a bit of an iffy topic, so let's say a story or so without their direct involvement would have been a decent yardstick for a "break" to give a sense of some time passing. Personally, I was hoping more for an expansion or so with them firmly in background/ consultant roles, but evidently Endwalker heralded more of a permanent change in the direction of the game's writing than I thought or wanted to admit. Still, a single story arc or so I think was more than a fair assumption with what we were initially shown.

Again with how some posters are you'd think that we actually did bring along the whole team. Yes, I know from some it's just hyperbole crap we're just supposed to roll our eyes at. Yet even when it gets pointed out to them why exploring said treasure vault with who we did makes sense they stomp their feet and complain that took everyone. Or that they don't care more than don't understand why we took who we did. They are in the background though. We haven't brought in anyone between 6.1 and now that didn't need to be brought in for whatever we were doing at the time.

G'Raha asked us to bring him on the next adventure we stumbled on. Y'shtola told us that she wanted to try and find away to shard hop. So why would we not bring her on an expedition that hints at that very thing? Why would we not check in on the twins and see if they or even Jullus would have an idea on how to narrow our search for possible easy to have void things pop in from? Again I do feel the only reason we got Urianger tossed in there was solely for duty support reasons. It's not like we didn't bring in new people. The group right now is half old group half new group. We even got told right after 6.0 that 6.1-6.4 wasn't going to be the same as they had been in the past. That this was going to behave and be written differently. That whatever it is we will be exploring with Thancred and Krile come 7.0 wouldn't be really hinted at til 6.5.

The reason why it feels like filler is because that's what it was always meant to be. This is the beach party episode. The our heros tried to have a fun day at an amusement park, but they ended up having to play hero regardless type episode. Or if you don't like anime it's the X-Men playing no powers allowed baseball or Basketball. Only for some one to cheat and kineticaly charge up the ball before throwing it at someone and wondering why Professor X is upset that part of the mansion just got destroyed. Or that the Shi'ar showed up and have started attacking cause they're pissed off about something again.

[Avoidy]

Keep in mind that this is a filler arc. Nothing about it has really felt main story, at least IMO. You could have introduced it as a trial series and I wouldn't have noticed the difference.

I hope this isn't true but I kinda got the same vibe with how neatly everything's wrapping up (Golbez's homies show up and fall like domino pieces) and the "straight to VHS disney sequel" vibes I got from the scions getting back together right after 6.0 disbanded them. I want to be wrong though, because I'll be kind of nettled if they made us deal with Zero's repetitive bullshit just to write her off as a filler character who never gets brought up again. I really hope this arc ties directly into 7.0 and they don't just wrap shit up in 6.5 and then start some totally unrelated thing in 7.0, otherwise post-EW really will feel like a complete slap in the face to everyone who didn't just quit after base endwalker. My last real hope is the fact that they announced Golbez as a trial super early which makes me think there's something more we're not being told, and that could be the boost this post-story needs.