Would a Reraise ability break the game?

[Kes13a]

I have tried to come up with a use case scenario for this and I am afraid I cant think of one.

the name implies I have already raised them once, so am raising again? but if they havent died yet.. then its not reraising them

next, as a healer I have to now predict who will die in the next 10 seconds and cast it on them? If I am wrong I am losing a quarter of my mp that I could use to actually raise someone who was incapacitated or heal or, do dps

interesting idea, but I do not really see how it would fit into my toolkit or what I would even use it for. spend enough of my time watching health bars, watching the boss and worrying about where my rng feet are to now have to add in watching where everyone else is and predicting if they will die or not.

[CNitsah]

It could be nice but it should have huge cooldown, so it's not spammed. Or limited to one person, like the dance partner or something like that. That way you could secure a rez on the second healer (for example) while keeping your swift cast if things go south.

[Rongway]

the name implies I have already raised them once, so am raising again? but if they havent died yet.. then its not reraising them

The name is meaningless, like many Final Fantasy action names. If you speak classical Final Fantasy you know it, otherwise don't think about it too much.

I have tried to come up with a use case scenario for this and I am afraid I cant think of one.

Healer: [Casts Reraise on self.]
Tank: [Survives the mechanic so that the fight doesn't reset even though everyone else died.]
Healer: [Gets back up and LB3s.]

[Ath192]

The name is meaningless, like many Final Fantasy action names. If you speak classical Final Fantasy you know it, otherwise don't think about it too much.


Healer: [Casts Reraise on self.]
Tank: [Survives the mechanic so that the fight doesn't reset even though everyone else died.]
Healer: [Gets back up and LB3s.]

Yeah but this is exactly the scenario that would have to be avoided. Imagine cheesing big mechanics like this. There would have to be a caveat where in the reraise takes effect after 10 seconds on the ground and if the party wipes there is no re-raise. Because otherwise this is what would break the game.

On the other hand healer LB3s and Tank LB3 have been used to cheese a lot of things already, so this isnt like mind blowingly broken but it does make it more accessible. Just as an example this whole tier tanks have been cheesing Cachexia 2

[AluminumSiren]

In FFXI, reraise was a staple to the game for sure. It was whm only, until later when they raised the level cap and it was available if you set your subjob as Whm. However, in XI the stakes were much higher in fights. If your party wiped with no reraise, your only option was to homepoint. You wouldn't restart at the beginning like in XIV. Most of the fights in XI were either hard/expensive to start, or rare world spaws, so losing it entirely sucked.

It would be a neat ability to have for healers in XIV, but the way the game is made it's really not necessary.

[Gemina]

Yeah but this is exactly the scenario that would have to be avoided. Imagine cheesing big mechanics like this. There would have to be a caveat where in the reraise takes effect after 10 seconds on the ground and if the party wipes there is no re-raise. Because otherwise this is what would break the game.

On the other hand healer LB3s and Tank LB3 have been used to cheese a lot of things already, so this isnt like mind blowingly broken but it does make it more accessible. Just as an example this whole tier tanks have been cheesing Cachexia 2

There isn't much cheese to be had. For the game's more difficult fights, if a healer has to LB3 the group wont beat the enrage window. For all other fights, no one cares.

[Atelier-Bagur]

They could consider adding pre-raid buffs like protect, shell and reraise plus others things again. We used to have stuff like and there are raids like DRS where you do use a re-raise ability just in case. It wouldn't break the game but apparently devs don't want to add any complexity to the combat system.

So long as the same penalty for getting rezzed is there I don't think it matters much.

Its not because of complexity but more so that the dev team (and people back then let's be fair here) generally felt like pre-buffing was wasting the player's time.

[Ath192]

There isn't much cheese to be had. For the game's more difficult fights, if a healer has to LB3 the group wont beat the enrage window. For all other fights, no one cares.

You underestimate folks. Remember that healer LB3 doesn't give weakness, and most groups can generally clear without using DPS LB3 outside of week 1 or 2. This could potentially affect older ultimates as well where damage doesn't matter any more only that people do mechanics correctly.

off the top of my head, a good example of a mechanic that would be super easily cheesed was Lions in E12S, people already cheesed it with Heal LB 3 because parties messed it up all the time, the issue was the healer had to get lucky and live but a reraise would basically make it a standard strat.

And dmg checks were definitely met despite this.

[DixieBellOCE]

My reply to reraise is.

Skill Issue.

Just dont die.

[Atelier-Bagur]

In FFXI, reraise was a staple to the game for sure. It was whm only, until later when they raised the level cap and it was available if you set your subjob as Whm. However, in XI the stakes were much higher in fights. If your party wiped with no reraise, your only option was to homepoint. You wouldn't restart at the beginning like in XIV. Most of the fights in XI were either hard/expensive to start, or rare world spaws, so losing it entirely sucked.

It would be a neat ability to have for healers in XIV, but the way the game is made it's really not necessary.

Exactly, the game is waaaaaaay too forgiving and easy to warrant the need of a re-raise. If the game was designed more inconvenient whereas death was a ton a lot more punishing such as lack of retries in a fight then yeah reraise would be a must-have.