"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[VeyaAkemi]

Warriors can literally handle things on their own. Just saying. Done it many times with pissy healers.

Even WAR would die if the DPS don't cooperate, WAR is powerful for dungeon pulls in specific, but part of that power exists because they only stay under heat for a limited time due to mobs dying fast enough, if the DPS just stands there doing nothing, you will run out of cooldowns, be unable to bridge Bloodwhetting uses any longer, and just die.

[Jojoya]

Trust the healer has a better judgement than the tank over what the tank can handle, as it’s the healer’s primary role to keep that tank alive. Just because the tank is scared to take an extra hit doesn’t mean they are incapable of taking that damage. If you want to single pull, consider a different role.

That's a big risk when you don't know the healer and their experience.

[Kolaina]

That's a big risk when you don't know the healer and their experience.

You won’t find out if you do pusillanimous pulls. I’ll keep doubling down on if you want to single pull, trusts are for you.
Majority of duties designed from HW and after were done so with 2 trash pulls, followed by a gate. Even developers recognize wall to wall is the meta. If you want to tank, utilize your class and it’s mitigations. If you’re doing so for the fast queue, trusts are instant and they don’t complain about your lack of skill

[Absimiliard]

Even WAR would die if the DPS don't cooperate, WAR is powerful for dungeon pulls in specific, but part of that power exists because they only stay under heat for a limited time due to mobs dying fast enough, if the DPS just stands there doing nothing, you will run out of cooldowns, be unable to bridge Bloodwhetting uses any longer, and just die.

This is incorrect. Proper management of cooldowns very much allows WAR to survive indefinitely in most dungeon content, whether it be against trash from a wall-to-wall pull or even the bosses themselves. Healer and DPS contribution, while immensely helpful, is not a necessity. Even in normal endgame content, a skilled WAR can in many cases more or less be ignored by the healer until or unless they eat a tankbuster or someone fails specific mechanics. If it's a tankbuster that doesn't leave behind a nasty dot or vuln, they can probably get themselves back up from that too.

[Atelier-Bagur]

This is incorrect. Proper management of cooldowns very much allows WAR to survive indefinitely in most dungeon content, whether it be against trash from a wall-to-wall pull or even the bosses themselves. Healer and DPS contribution, while immensely helpful, is not a necessity. Even in normal endgame content, a skilled WAR can in many cases more or less be ignored by the healer until or unless they eat a tankbuster or someone fails specific mechanics. If it's a tankbuster that doesn't leave behind a nasty dot or vuln, they can probably get themselves back up from that too.

This is also incorrect as Ive tried this tactic multiple times solo synced on dungeons just to see if its possible but the mobs eventually overwhelm me because Warriors cant out dps them fast enough to kill them even after spending all my mitigation cooldowns.



That or maybe just get gud and nerf warrior please

[Absimiliard]

This is also incorrect as Ive tried this tactic multiple times solo synced on dungeons just to see if its possible but the mobs eventually overwhelm me because Warriors cant out dps them fast enough to kill them even after spending all my mitigation cooldowns.



That or maybe just get gud and nerf warrior please

It sounds like your experience with the job has been very different from mine. I've found soloing most Shadowbringers dungeons to be low in difficulty and high in time investment. I've also had friends of mine queue with me into Endwalker content only to sit at the start of the dungeon while I went off on my own, just so to see if it would work. It did. Takes waaaayyy too long, but it's doable. You just need to be patient and respect your limits. Sometimes you may want to refrain from wall to wall pulling, others you might want to pause between packs to get your cooldowns back so you go in fresh. It's smooth sailing if you can get to the bosses, as they generally pose significantly less of a threat to you than did the trash.

To be clear, you may notice I said most. Some of them have mechanics that preclude soloing, at least not without taking the time to come up with some outside-the-box strategies to make up for lacking a full group. Then some trash, especially in Endwalker, you're just not soloing on a wall-to-wall. It all depends on where you are.

[VeyaAkemi]

This is also incorrect as Ive tried this tactic multiple times solo synced on dungeons just to see if its possible but the mobs eventually overwhelm me because Warriors cant out dps them fast enough to kill them even after spending all my mitigation cooldowns.



That or maybe just get gud and nerf warrior please

I also want to make something clear, I am talking full send each pull, wtw every time, that's what would kill WAR, and what could put you in a spot where the DPS decides to just not act because you aren't expecting it, if you were to slowly single pull everything, you wouldn't even need WAR, hell you wouldn't even need a Tank, a melee DPS with good use of Bloodbath would be able to handle the trash just fine.

[Kolaina]

I also want to make something clear, I am talking full send each pull, wtw every time, that's what would kill WAR, and what could put you in a spot where the DPS decides to just not act because you aren't expecting it, if you were to slowly single pull everything, you wouldn't even need WAR, hell you wouldn't even need a Tank, a melee DPS with good use of Bloodbath would be able to handle the trash just fine.

And why aren’t the dps “acting”? Are they just standing there? Easy report. Is the healer healing? Then the tank will survive.

This whole discussion is about whether or not tanks being petty is accepted behaviour. For a community that likes to label everything as “toxic”, this discussion shouldn’t have lasted this long

Tanks should tank. End of discussion

If you refuse to tank, be something else. I suggest botanist

[Atelier-Bagur]

And why aren’t the dps “acting”? Are they just standing there? Easy report. Is the healer healing? Then the tank will survive.

This whole discussion is about whether or not tanks being petty is accepted behaviour. For a community that likes to label everything as “toxic”, this discussion shouldn’t have lasted this long

Tanks should tank. End of discussion

If you refuse to tank, be something else. I suggest botanist

I would suggest go back and play Hello Kitty Island Adventure

[Kolaina]

I would suggest go back and play Hello Kitty Island Adventure

No longer exists or I would agree with you