"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[RitsukoSonoda]

As a reminder to people, Monster Player Kill is against the TOS and thereby is reportable. If tanks are allowing you die over this, that falls under MPK.

As a main tank myself, I discourage pulling for me if only because it is dangerous. Too many times someone has almost died because by the time I get there and grab the mobs, the server will register my hits AFTER the mobs hits the other person. Hence, I sprint and/or try to grab more than 2 mobs with my ranged + provoke, before reaching the pack, so if they peel one off, it's just the one mob hitting them. I also try to range attack everything behind me while on the way to the next pack.

Sprint also has a cooldown, so...yeah.

That actually doesn't constitute MPK because the one dying is directly causing it by intentionally drawing aggro.

The MPK they're referring to is things like dragging enemies over other players that are out of combat so AoE attacks on you end up hitting and killing them. Things well known in FFXI like taking Serket for walkies over EXP parties in Garliage Citadel or dragging bombs over to afk ppl outside Jeuno with things posted for sale so they all die when it self destructs. Or the PLD that finds the guy in the Nidhogg alliance that forgot to /blockaid and proceeds to trigger Spike Flail by standing behind it and casting Cure IV followed by Invincible...

[Kolaina]

That actually doesn't constitute MPK because the one dying is directly causing it by intentionally drawing aggro.

If the tank is intentionally avoiding that mob to punish someone, it falls under mpk. It may also fall under refusal to participate. It’s petty. People need to drop the MCS and complete the duty, together

[MaxCarnage]

That actually doesn't constitute MPK because the one dying is directly causing it by intentionally drawing aggro.

The MPK they're referring to is things like dragging enemies over other players that are out of combat so AoE attacks on you end up hitting and killing them. Things well known in FFXI like taking Serket for walkies over EXP parties in Garliage Citadel or dragging bombs over to afk ppl outside Jeuno with things posted for sale so they all die when it self destructs. Or the PLD that finds the guy in the Nidhogg alliance that forgot to /blockaid and proceeds to trigger Spike Flail by standing behind it and casting Cure IV followed by Invincible...

It's MPK because the tank refuses to hit it and grab aggro with the intention of the puller dying. They are trying to have the monster kill the player, because of the fact that the other player pulled the mob. Intention matters.

[hunkygladiator]

That actually doesn't constitute MPK because the one dying is directly causing it by intentionally drawing aggro.

The MPK they're referring to is things like dragging enemies over other players that are out of combat so AoE attacks on you end up hitting and killing them. Things well known in FFXI like taking Serket for walkies over EXP parties in Garliage Citadel or dragging bombs over to afk ppl outside Jeuno with things posted for sale so they all die when it self destructs. Or the PLD that finds the guy in the Nidhogg alliance that forgot to /blockaid and proceeds to trigger Spike Flail by standing behind it and casting Cure IV followed by Invincible...

How do you prove they're intentionally doing it

[Celine_Aurora]

How do you prove they're intentionally doing it

Because if you drag the mobs on top of the tank directly and they refuse to use AoE or move away, it's pretty obvious.

Also because YPYT types just can't resist spelling it outright in chat to taunt you before or after letting you die.

[VeyaAkemi]

It's MPK because the tank refuses to hit it and grab aggro with the intention of the puller dying. They are trying to have the monster kill the player, because of the fact that the other player pulled the mob. Intention matters.

I need to make something clear, YPYT doesn't constitute MPK, because MPK is defined as "an act of sending a monster towards another person so that they are knocked out or obstructing another person's gameplay.", so it'd have to be something akin to positioning yourself such that an AoE targeted at you would hit a party member, or intentionally moving yourself so a cleave tankbuster hits the party, however, it is still against ToS, under "Obstruction of play", subsection "Aiding the enemy / Uncooperative behavior / Lethargic behavior", which is defined as "an act of performing actions that give an advantage to an enemy (monsters, or the opposing team/players in PvP content) by not performing the necessary gameplay required of the situation.", to quote the full point in the ToS...

- Aiding the enemy / Uncooperative behavior / Lethargic behavior
Refers to an act of performing actions that give an advantage to an enemy (monsters, or the opposing team/players in PvP content) by not performing the necessary gameplay required of the situation. This may be combined with combat sabotage as well.
Key Points
Each player has a different level of skill, and in some cases, there may be a situation where the duty/content will fail. From the perspective of a skilled player in such a situation, a less skilled player may appear to be "adversarial/uncooperative/apathetic," but even if this is the case, it is not a violation as long as the player is playing appropriately.

For example, the following types of situations fall under the act of giving an advantage to the enemy (or the opposing team/players in PvP content):
- "I don't want to heal because there is a player I don't like in the group."
- "I don't think we can clear this anyway, so I'll just get hit by the enemy attack and go AFK after I'm knocked out."
- "I'm going to join the opposing team as a healer and do nothing so my friends on the other team can win the PvP content."
If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

Please note that Square Enix may conduct investigations and issue a penalty in its discretion even if a report has not been filed if the act has been confirmed publicly through online video, streaming services, or other means.

Notice that the first example given is essentially YPYT from a Healer perspective, and the key point that needs to be understood, which might be a tad coutnerintuitive, is that inaction by conscious choice constitutes as an action, because it was still a choice you made that influenced your behavior.

[Fynlar]

Too bad, I'm still going to do it. If you wanna pull, queue as a tank. If you're not the tank, trust that the tank has a better idea than you do over what their own comfort zone is, and stop deciding it for them.

As a reminder to people, Monster Player Kill is against the TOS and thereby is reportable. If tanks are allowing you die over this, that falls under MPK.

This is not MPK. That is when someone else drags enemies onto you and causes you to die.

You pulling something you couldn't handle and dying because nobody else would bail you out is completely different (and not MPK in the slightest)

[Nestama]

Too bad, I'm still going to do it. If you wanna pull, queue as a tank. If you're not the tank, trust that the tank has a better idea than you do over what their own comfort zone is, and stop deciding it for them.

This is not MPK. That is when someone else drags enemies onto you and causes you to die.

You pulling something you couldn't handle and dying because nobody else would bail you out is completely different (and not MPK in the slightest)

Okay, so then when you, the tank, pulls everything (or just single pulls), I better not hear you complain if the Healer and DPS decide to let you deal with everything on your own. Oh you KO'd? Don't blame the DPS and Healer for not bailing you out of something you couldn't handle.

[Kolaina]

Too bad, I'm still going to do it. If you wanna pull, queue as a tank. If you're not the tank, trust that the tank has a better idea than you do over what their own comfort zone is, and stop deciding it for them.

This is not MPK. That is when someone else drags enemies onto you and causes you to die.

You pulling something you couldn't handle and dying because nobody else would bail you out is completely different (and not MPK in the slightest)

Trust the healer has a better judgement than the tank over what the tank can handle, as it’s the healer’s primary role to keep that tank alive. Just because the tank is scared to take an extra hit doesn’t mean they are incapable of taking that damage. If you want to single pull, consider a different role.

[Deceptus]

Okay, so then when you, the tank, pulls everything (or just single pulls), I better not hear you complain if the Healer and DPS decide to let you deal with everything on your own. Oh you KO'd? Don't blame the DPS and Healer for not bailing you out of something you couldn't handle.

Warriors can literally handle things on their own. Just saying. Done it many times with pissy healers.