This game is on a terrible state right now.

[Renalt]

Huh. I'm getting a strange feeling of Deja Vu. This entire thread is pretty recent...yet I feel like I've read this before.

No I'm not being sarcastic as in "hurr hurr people complain/defend over and over".

No I mean EXACT thread. Same words, people, pictures, everything.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Huh. I'm getting a strange feeling of Deja Vu. This entire thread is pretty recent...yet I feel like I've read this before.

No I'm not being sarcastic as in "hurr hurr people complain/defend over and over".

No I mean EXACT thread. Same words, people, pictures, everything.

Groundhogs Day: The Edge of Tomorrow.

[Ath192]

Huh. I'm getting a strange feeling of Deja Vu. This entire thread is pretty recent...yet I feel like I've read this before.

No I'm not being sarcastic as in "hurr hurr people complain/defend over and over".

No I mean EXACT thread. Same words, people, pictures, everything.

We all reset at midnight and start the same loop over and over.

Are we even real?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV...=1&utm_term=15

[Calysto]

It seems like Yoshi-P has forgotten the lessons that he himself was giving so long ago when 2.0 launched.

https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1020179/Behind-the-Realm




Heck knows they sure aren't following 2,3, OR 4.

Standards emphasized over innovation
→Covering all basic MMORPG features
Tried and tested features actively implemented
→Reducing time and risk

Those they follow to a T...

[Kaurhz]

Snip

I'm just going to quick reply to these.

It was always negative hours, really. People had fairly optimized macros before the patch was live, ever since we have had macro crafts become so widely adopted, the only outlier to this was the Ala Mhigan gear that people felt so terrified by that they... Utterly cheesed with Maker's Mark anyway (because a lot happens when you give people 67~ steps of spamming 1 button). Largely in part with HW, my recollection was there was a base macro/rotation which you followed that consumed x CP, and the only differential was that every multiple of 18 CP over this minimum was used on a precise touch where possible, or Basic Touches if needed. E.g., there wasn't really a great level of deviation in MaMa in the overall rotation, just the overage CP you had to allow for swapping Hasty Touch with guaranteed Basic/Precise under Steady Hand II. The same reigned true for those that championed Muscle Memory with Rapid Synthesis. The underlying rotation was to still use Rapid Synthesis to be within 1 step of finishing the craft and then working on quality.

Sure, though again, if you take into account technical limitations and creative limitations/blocking, then it is very easy to bump into the situation for copy and pasting. e.g., In the case of Deep Dungeons, there are only so many things you can do with square rooms before you need to transform the content entirely to actually innovate on it About the only thing I could see worthwhile adding/expanding would be to incorporate something such as logos or lost actions (Which granted, I would say is a missed opportunity). But No piece of content is exempt from this e.g., exploratory content - What would be their next stepping stone? Adding gathering directly to the zones? Sightseeing (that nobody does anyway)?

Not that I disagree with you in sentiment, because I don't. I just think with exploratory they're heading pretty close to very largely being copy and paste. My perception behind this is - You've made it fairly clear for the most part that Bozja/Eureka should just be a vehicle for creative large-scale raids and unique job playstyles which with all due respect that they're tied to this piece of content makes it exceedingly difficult for the content to live outside of the expansion it was released in. - To put it bluntly, this content is utterly hard carried by Discord groups at this point to actually function and have some survivability. I'll be blunt once again, it shouldn't need to be a vehicle to this as it should exist natively within the game.

Was BA fun? Sure, did it make going through Eureka nice? Sure, but would it have been better if it wasn't tied to exploratory completion? Absolutely.

[Gemina]

Regardless of how they feel now, they had a point back then.

1. Citizens don't stay, just watch the immigrant crisis happening in multiple places
2. They are just employees, and feedback and paying customers do govern their decisions more often than not.
3. The game largely has the same framework from 10 years ago. Their updates have been iterative the whole way. nothing huge nor revolutionary.
4. We're just gamers who pay for a product, and they're the ones that deliver it. Yoshi P has admitted to having anonymous alts. But I doubt he plays this game with the same passion and hope the players who stayed for 1.0 did.

I honestly think this game's past content will sink its future. 7.0 will definitely bring back big crowds on graphics alone, but what happens beyond that doesn't sound promising if the framework isn't changed. We could use another calamity. Hopefully the next MMO FF goes into development soon.

1. Citizens do stay, and I suggest you look into immigration and how corrupt and cruel this process is. This does not mean that legal forms of immigration does not happen, and works to the good welfare of promising nations.

2. Paying customers have no say. They can make suggestions, and some of those suggestions are implemented. If you think paying customers govern the dev team, you are sorely mistaken. The dev team is governed by their corporate offices. Don't confuse cherry picked content creation with the ability to tell these guys what to do. You do however, have the power to take your dollars elsewhere if you are not satisfied. That is the best way to influence what corporate decides to do. By complaining about the game while at the same time keeping your sub active, you are in fact supporting everything they do and have done.

3. You're confusing adaptation with pivotal changes to the framework and the core systems that keep the game running. Those who essentially want an entirely different mmo will have to find a different mmo to play. The changes I'm referring to are things from back in 1.0 and 2.0 that no longer exist, and I should not have to point these out. Players complain about these changes day in and day out around here.

4. You are absolutely free to think this way. It is your opinion.

I honestly think this game's past content will sink its future. 7.0 will definitely bring back big crowds on graphics alone, but what happens beyond that doesn't sound promising if the framework isn't changed. We could use another calamity. Hopefully the next MMO FF goes into development soon.

Everything has an end. Someday FFXIV will no longer be here. So I suggest on finding things about it you enjoy now, instead of dwelling on what you know lies in the horizon.

[Gemina]

So you disagree with Yoshi-P then? You know, the GREAT YOSHI-P? The guy who rescued Square Enix and is basically the best developer of our time? You dare question HIM??

You think I agree with him on everything? That every single decision he makes, I just give a giant thumbs up to? The issue people have with me here is not that I support the dev team, but rather that I don't support and go along with the pitchfork mob and their vitriol, and I have opinions that differ from their own.

This man has made and continues to make many decisions I don't agree with. The thing is, nothing has impacted my enjoyment of the game to the point that I no longer support what this dev team does and goes through. If that day happens, my subscription for FFXIV will end.

[Gemina]

They do. All of them. Yoshi said as much in an Asmon interview. They play alongside us all the time.

I was unaware of this, but knew and was hoping someone would point out if this was indeed the case. Like I said earlier, it is difficult for the dev team to relate to the playerbase from purely a development level, and immersion is needed. While I still think it is not necessary to disclose this to the playerbase, it is still very heart warming and promising that I now know that they do this.

[SannaR]

I was unaware of this, but knew and was hoping someone would point out if this was indeed the case. Like I said earlier, it is difficult for the dev team to relate to the playerbase from purely a development level, and immersion is needed. While I still think it is not necessary to disclose this to the playerbase, it is still very heart warming and promising that I now know that they do this.

Yoshida recently said that on patch days he'll log on and afk at one of the starting cities aetherites just to people watch or have the game noise going on in the background while working. Heck there have been people who are fairly sure they've had CC matches against him.

[Blastix]

Content does not equal time-worthy investment.
If the content isn't enjoyable and is a chore, why have it at all.