Looking at other Regions playing XIV

[strawberrycake]

I know plenty of people that do take criticism normally and yes, you're not wrong that we have *some* people that live in a bubble. However, I don't think it's necessarily fair to just slam NA and associate the bad apples with every single member of NA when every region has issues in different forms. I've personally been insulted for being American more times than I can count by members of EU, JP and AUS when I was visiting other regions to see what they were like and on this forum but I don't associate those instances with the entire region nor make threads about them trying to provoke hate. I just recognize that there are people who will be vocal and insulting regardless of where you go.

ANd this is not a matter of insulting people. This is a matter of people not playing the game, not learning the game, not getting better at the game. THe block button is right there if you get insulted and so is the report button. But can I have one day in NA where I'm not dead carrying a run on any Role because I have an ounce of competence and can think for longer then 5 min?

[LianaThorne]

ANd this is not a matter of insulting people. This is a matter of people not playing the game, not learning the game, not getting better at the game. THe block button is right there if you get insulted and so is the report button. But can I have one day in NA where I'm not dead carrying a run on any Role because I have an ounce of competence and can think for longer then 5 min?

Can you provide a recent example/the origin of this thread? I'm curious what actually happened to provoke this.

But I will say using the words "But NA just refuses to be normal" comes off like a way to start a hate thread to me. It could have been worded differently such as "What makes NA play so differently compared to other regions?". That's just my opinion and if you don't agree then that's fine. Not gonna ruin my day.

[strawberrycake]

Can you provide a recent example/the origin of this thread? I'm curious what actually happened to provoke this.

But I will say using the words "But NA just refuses to be normal" comes off like a way to start a hate thread to me. That's just my opinion and if you don't agree then that's fine. Not gonna ruin my day.

Years of playing NA and the massive decline since the beginning of Shadowbringers. I've made several threads before talking about the state of XIV. The game has flaws a lot of them. But in other regions said flaws don't keep people from playing the game, doing content, helping others. In NA you can barely do content without someone refusing to do their job, refusing to participate, now knowing their role, and its just handwaved a lot. I may have PF, which is fun, and it's nice, but I should be able to queue with randoms and just "do" content.

Is this me saying new people aren't welcome? No. Am I saying people don't forget or can't be returners, etc, etc. No. What I am saying is that in any other MMO NA people do the things I see EU and JP doing, normally, so why is XIV NA the odd one out compared to two other regions playing the same game.

As for NA, lowest clear rates, inability to say much without it turning to throwing mud. I get runs regularly where if I ask my co healer to heal I can shit for it over them just playing the game. And this isn;t saying the same can't happen elsewhere, but its been p normal to just work together and make the run fast elsewhere.

So just a combination of things all adding up to this.

Edit: And no I think refuses to be normal is the best way to word it, as no other MMO or Region within this MMO has these specific problems.

[LianaThorne]

Years of playing NA and the massive decline since the beginning of Shadowbringers. I've made several threads before talking about the state of XIV. The game has flaws a lot of them. But in other regions said flaws don't keep people from playing the game, doing content, helping others. In NA you can barely do content without someone refusing to do their job, refusing to participate, now knowing their role, and its just handwaved a lot. I may have PF, which is fun, and it's nice, but I should be able to queue with randoms and just "do" content.

Is this me saying new people aren't welcome? No. Am I saying people don't forget or can't be returners, etc, etc. No. What I am saying is that in any other MMO NA people do the things I see EU and JP doing, normally, so why is XIV NA the odd one out compared to two other regions playing the same game.

As for NA, lowest clear rates, inability to say much without it turning to throwing mud. I get runs regularly where if I ask my co healer to heal I can shit for it over them just playing the game. And this isn;t saying the same can't happen elsewhere, but its been p normal to just work together and make the run fast elsewhere.

So just a combination of things all adding up to this.

That's fair and it is a thing I've seen brought up multiple times elsewhere in terms of how we run our DF/PF. Not entirely sure the reason it started (I've only played since 5.2) but all I can say from my own knowledge is it's just how things are done here. If anyone else can provide a more specific reason/knows when it started or why then I'd be curious to know why too.

As far as the others, I believe you that you've had a lot of bad experiences with people here but I also can say the opposite. It's extremely rare that I run into a party that derails into chaos or turns into a situation that needs someone kicked or removed. The usual I see is someone leaving a PF party after a few pulls. That's not to say I've never had people act like children, just they are situations I can count on one hand compared to the others that have run peacefully.

Perhaps (and I truly don't mean this in a negative fashion so I apologize in advance if it comes off that way) if the environment of NA isn't to your liking, maybe trying your luck in another region that more suits your own ideals would be a positive and increase your own happiness from the game. Ultimately no one can change anyone else or force anyone to do anything, you have to just worry about yourself and doing what is best for you and your experience. If NA doesn't meet your expectations then that's okay, just is it personally worth continuing to deal with yourself?

[strawberrycake]

That's fair and it is a thing I've seen brought up multiple times elsewhere in terms of how we run our DF/PF. Not entirely sure the reason it started (I've only played since 5.2) but all I can say from my own knowledge is it's just how things are done here. If anyone else can provide a more specific reason/knows when it started or why then I'd be curious to know why too.

As far as the others, I believe you that you've had a lot of bad experiences with people here but I also can say the opposite. It's extremely rare that I run into a party that derails into chaos or turns into a situation that needs someone kicked or removed. The usual I see is someone leaving a PF party after a few pulls. That's not to say I've never had people act like children, just they are situations I can count on one hand compared to the others that have run peacefully.

Perhaps (and I truly don't mean this in a negative fashion so I apologize in advance if it comes off that way) if the environment of NA isn't to your liking, maybe trying your luck in another region that more suits your own ideals would be a positive and increase your own happiness from the game. Ultimately no one can change anyone else or force anyone to do anything, you have to just worry about yourself and doing what is best for you and your experience. If NA doesn't meet your expectations then that's okay, just is it personally worth continuing to deal with yourself?

I frankly think NA should jus be better about playing the game. The game should fulcilitate people learning better. If EU and Jp can just learn based on the vague info given great, but NA should just be better at this point. I run multiple characters, I play multiple regions and I'm fine. But to deny the reality of how this isn't healthy for this game period is also not a good look for a business. live and let live is nice when it not damamging a game already filled with flaws that make it less appealing, but that's not the case with XIV.

And I know not everyone in NA will agree with this, but I've said it before and its not wrong, this isn't how a game like this will survive another 10 years.

[LianaThorne]

I frankly think NA should jus be better about playing the game. The game should fulcilitate people learning better. If EU and Jp can just learn based on the vague info given great, but NA should just be better at this point. I run multiple characters, I play multiple regions and I'm fine. But to deny the reality of how this isn't healthy for this game period is also not a good look for a business. live and let live is nice when it not damamging a game already filled with flaws that make it less appealing, but that's not the case with XIV.

And I know not everyone in NA will agree with this, but I've said it before and its not wrong, this isn't how a game like this will survive another 10 years.

To quote Stephen King:

"Wish in one hand, s*** in the other, see which fills up faster."

As I said already, can want/wish for people to do what you want but it's ultimately not up to you. It's up to the others as well and how they want to play. All you can really do is make decisions for yourself.

[strawberrycake]

To quote Stephen King:

"Wish in one hand, s*** in the other, see which fills up faster."

As I said already, can want people to do what you want but it's ultimately not up to you. It's up to the others as well and how they want to play.

And if the company wants to continue making a bottom Line they'll fix it luckily, so heres to hoping 7.0 is the start of that^^

[VirusOnline]

Years of playing NA and the massive decline since the beginning of Shadowbringers. I've made several threads before talking about the state of XIV. The game has flaws a lot of them. But in other regions said flaws don't keep people from playing the game, doing content, helping others. In NA you can barely do content without someone refusing to do their job, refusing to participate, now knowing their role, and its just handwaved a lot. I may have PF, which is fun, and it's nice, but I should be able to queue with randoms and just "do" content.

Is this me saying new people aren't welcome? No. Am I saying people don't forget or can't be returners, etc, etc. No. What I am saying is that in any other MMO NA people do the things I see EU and JP doing, normally, so why is XIV NA the odd one out compared to two other regions playing the same game.

As for NA, lowest clear rates, inability to say much without it turning to throwing mud. I get runs regularly where if I ask my co healer to heal I can shit for it over them just playing the game. And this isn;t saying the same can't happen elsewhere, but its been p normal to just work together and make the run fast elsewhere.

So just a combination of things all adding up to this.

Edit: And no I think refuses to be normal is the best way to word it, as no other MMO or Region within this MMO has these specific problems.

Honestly, this is just confirmation bias.
JP good, NA bad is a tired argument.

[DixieBellOCE]

Can you provide a recent example/the origin of this thread? I'm curious what actually happened to provoke this.

But I will say using the words "But NA just refuses to be normal" comes off like a way to start a hate thread to me. It could have been worded differently such as "What makes NA play so differently compared to other regions?". That's just my opinion and if you don't agree then that's fine. Not gonna ruin my day.

I wont call NA 'Abnormal' but i will say it has the highest density of casual players in any region.

That straight up affects everything to do with actual gameplay, Raiding was a nightmare for the 7 months i played on Seraph, and i will never go back again.

How a community cannot decide on a single strategy and use 300 different variations of something simply just to make it their own, is beyond me.
There were so many groups saying 'JP Strats' but then changing them to make the strats harder than they were originally just to be different.

It's Chaos, that is the only word i have to describe playing on NA.

It's not a bad thing for day to day stuff, but it's a terrible experience in the higher end gameplay.