Dps jobs share at least 90% of their abilities

[Irenia]

Yeah, and iirc it's because they don't want a situation where a DPS is shunned because it doesn't have the correct seasonings, so to speak.

If you look at this particular bit of job design as a way to influence in-game community behavior,it makes more sense.

[Stormpeaks]

Yeah, and iirc it's because they don't want a situation where a DPS is shunned because it doesn't have the correct seasonings, so to speak.

If you look at this particular bit of job design as a way to influence in-game community behavior,it makes more sense.

And in turn makes everything absolutely boring to play because they are actual copies of each other

[Striker44]

And in turn makes everything absolutely boring to play because they are actual copies of each other

Personally, it's what makes more jobs accessible to me. I don't have enough time to inspire me to try learning a completely new class. I do have the inspiration to try more classes out knowing that in general they'll behave the same, with just some of the specifics unique. And the classes are nowhere near copies of each other right now. If they were, I wouldn't have a lot more fun playing RDM than BLM, or BRD vs. DRG, or SCH/WHM vs. AST/SGE. Each class still very much has things that make it unique.

But we get it. You hate everything about this game, yet for some reason continue torturing yourself playing it, and want everyone else to feel your misery. Whoopty-doo.

[VentVanitas]

Personally, it's what makes more jobs accessible to me. I don't have enough time to inspire me to try learning a completely new class. I do have the inspiration to try more classes out knowing that in general they'll behave the same, with just some of the specifics unique.

Jobs were already accessible before they all became samey in ShB/EW, normal content rarely if ever has strict DPS or healing checks set on players so you can quite literally go through them mashing any buttons you like, you don't need to learn them. However, that doesn't mean the total quality of jobs needs to be dragged down just because of players like you who don't want to put the effort in.

And the classes are nowhere near copies of each other right now. If they were, I wouldn't have a lot more fun playing RDM than BLM, or BRD vs. DRG, or SCH/WHM vs. AST/SGE. Each class still very much has things that make it unique.

BLM is kind of the outlier to almost any discussion surrounding jobs just because of how blatant the favouritism for it is, so comparing it to anything else is a joke. RDM is a builder-spender burst DPS just like all the rest though. Same goes for BRD which forgoes the support identity it had in previous expansions to focus more on bursting (the actual support it provides is not unique to it either). The differences in their surface level rotations tend to stop mattering once you realise that they all have the same general flowchart and don't provide much skill expression or lateral thinking to actually make them unique amongst each other (except BLM).

[Ransu]

And in turn makes everything absolutely boring to play because they are actual copies of each other

Then unsubscribe.

[Stormpeaks]

Then unsubscribe.

Good comeback bro, I'm impressed

[Ransu]

Good comeback bro, I'm impressed

Its not a "comeback" it's just a statement. If you're unhappy with the game then stop playing it. SWTOR went into a direction I didn't like so guess what I did? I unssubbed and uninstalled the game. Criticism is one thing, but if you're at the point that you're making statements that everything is boring then stop playing. If I didn't enjoy BLM so much I probably would have considered quitting this game after the SAM changes. I stuck it out because I like playing with my static group, but generally speaking, don't keep playing if you're legitimately not happy with the game.

[ForteNightshade]

Yeah, and iirc it's because they don't want a situation where a DPS is shunned because it doesn't have the correct seasonings, so to speak.

If you look at this particular bit of job design as a way to influence in-game community behavior,it makes more sense.

This is correct. They have openly said they consider a failure if players exclude jobs due to designs in fights not working for them. Which comes with its pros and cons. On the one hand, it leads to a certain amount of necessary homogenization due to no one job being allowed to stand out in any given encounter. On the other, it means players won't feel forced to play something they may not like. Of course, this philosophy hasn't exactly been well executed. Every expansion has a few jobs that simply dominate. Dark Knight has been the god king of Endwalker pretty much from day one. The one drawback it had was Living Dead, which absolutely needed to be address. However, it's now far and away the best tank in the game.

To be fair, it's hard to argue with this philosophy even if I do think they've taken the homogeneity too far. A frequent complaint in other MMOs, especially WoW, is how a person's main class is rendered worthless in a given fight and they can't find groups willing to let them in. Now the counterargument here is you can play everything on a single character but most players don't want to. Speaking for myself, when it comes to the Melee DPS, I like Dragoon and Ninja, don't mind Reaper and rarely touch Monk or Samurai. Being forced to play Monk or have a hell of a time getting into parties because Dragoon or Ninja aren't desirable wouldn't be fun. And don't anyone dare say people wouldn't look out jobs. They would and have.

[Shinkuno]

Yeah, and iirc it's because they don't want a situation where a DPS is shunned because it doesn't have the correct seasonings, so to speak.

If you look at this particular bit of job design as a way to influence in-game community behavior,it makes more sense.

And yet jobs are regulary excluded from parties or flat out unable to clear content until the content is nerfed / the job buffed. Seems like their goal isnt working

And before you say "But what about the casual playerbase?" They play content so easy that many of them cant even hit their buttons properly and still clear, job balance doesnt matter to them.