FFXIV Job Design Feedback

[Lyth]

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This is quite interesting. SMN has the most number of responses out of any job. The Mode is '1' across the board, accounting for nearly 1 in 4 responses, and giving the dataset a strong right skew, although the rest of the data is fairly evenly split. Many of those '1' entries occur at clustered timestamps, in some cases minutes from each other. It's curious that despite this, there is comparatively less demand for a rework on SMN than there is on AST, which has a similarly negative rating overall. I do think you have to dig into the data a bit to see if a job is actually universally panned, or if it's merely divisive to the point where people are committed to downvote it.

I was surprised at the number of responses asking for a DRG rework, at least relative to the other melee. The forums always gave me the impression that there was strong opposition to it. Not sure if that's just because the idea has been put in players' heads, or if the devs successfully predicted demand.

[Recon1o6]

This is quite interesting. SMN has the most number of responses out of any job. The Mode is '1' across the board, accounting for nearly 1 in 4 responses, and giving the dataset a strong right skew, although the rest of the data is fairly evenly split. Many of those '1' entries occur at clustered timestamps, in some cases minutes from each other. It's curious that despite this, there is comparatively less demand for a rework on SMN than there is on AST, which has a similarly negative rating overall. I do think you have to dig into the data a bit to see if a job is actually universally panned, or if it's merely divisive to the point where people are committed to downvote it.

I was surprised at the number of responses asking for a DRG rework, at least relative to the other melee. The forums always gave me the impression that there was strong opposition to it. Not sure if that's just because the idea has been put in players' heads, or if the devs successfully predicted demand.

a lot of people feel that dragoon really hasnt got anything new for significant time. Its been 1237814587 and back to 1 since sb in its core rotation, only change being removing impulse drive.
Its level 64-90 was just level 30-60 again. (aoe gcd, jump, fire and forget damage buff, aoe ogcd line, an aoe jump) and mirage dive to replace leg sweep having its damage removed

it got wyrmwind in ew and thats been it for years. everything else was just charges that made the already squeezed ogcd windows even tighter because 2m meta or qol which should not be coming out on expansions but instead in patches.


the devs have yet to realise just because you change the visuals does not mean its a new button to press.

[RyuDragnier]

As much fun as BLU ultimates would be, unfortunately BLUWU is completely impossible due to the melee and healer LB requirements. It's really sad that they don't allow us to do BLUCOB though, they can even remove the current clear rewards if they think it would be way too easy with BLU (even though the difficulty isn't that high anymore), I'd just have fun getting some friends and running the fight with all BLU.

Unless they decide to allow us to learn Limit Break from Seat of Sacrifice. After all, that's a big boss mechanic in that fight.

[Rymi64]

a lot of people feel that dragoon really hasnt got anything new for significant time. Its been 1237814587 and back to 1 since sb in its core rotation, only change being removing impulse drive.
Its level 64-90 was just level 30-60 again. (aoe gcd, jump, fire and forget damage buff, aoe ogcd line, an aoe jump) and mirage dive to replace leg sweep having its damage removed

it got wyrmwind in ew and thats been it for years. everything else was just charges that made the already squeezed ogcd windows even tighter because 2m meta or qol which should not be coming out on expansions but instead in patches.


the devs have yet to realise just because you change the visuals does not mean its a new button to press.

I mean ppl seemingly like the consistency rather than a big shift, at least from what I noticed

[ForsakenRoe]

As much fun as BLU ultimates would be, unfortunately BLUWU is completely impossible due to the melee and healer LB requirements. It's really sad that they don't allow us to do BLUCOB though, they can even remove the current clear rewards if they think it would be way too easy with BLU (even though the difficulty isn't that high anymore), I'd just have fun getting some friends and running the fight with all BLU.

Eh, give em a workaround that functions as a limitbreak, for that fight specifically

Call it the... BLU-ty Action Button

This is quite interesting. SMN has the most number of responses out of any job. The Mode is '1' across the board, accounting for nearly 1 in 4 responses, and giving the dataset a strong right skew, although the rest of the data is fairly evenly split. Many of those '1' entries occur at clustered timestamps, in some cases minutes from each other. It's curious that despite this, there is comparatively less demand for a rework on SMN than there is on AST, which has a similarly negative rating overall. I do think you have to dig into the data a bit to see if a job is actually universally panned, or if it's merely divisive to the point where people are committed to downvote it.

IDK about DRG, but the main cause for complaint I see about SMN seems to be 'its too simple', so it stands to reason that while the current incarnation is 'very negatively received', adding more complexity to it would raise a fair few of those 1's to more acceptable scores. AST on the other hand, very few people enjoy the RSI generator every 2 minutes. Couple that with how many people miss aspects from older incarnations like extending buff durations, multiple different card effects, etc. and it becomes fairly obvious fairly quick why people would want a rework for it.

[VentVanitas]

I mean ppl seemingly like the consistency rather than a big shift, at least from what I noticed

Consistency is nice and it's definitely the best thing DRG has going for it, but I don't think people are asking for a big rework to shift the direction of the job either. It's more like ShB and EW DRG didn't really do anything new for the job and are just more streamlined versions of SB DRG, unlike say, BLM where it's also in a very similar position except it's allowed tools that add depth to it (Xenoglossy, Paradox and so on) without directly altering its core identity and rotation.

[ForsakenRoe]

Made a post on reddit linking here, so maybe you'll see a sudden influx of new results. Or maybe you won't and I'll be downvoted out of existence, who knows?

[Oizen]

Made a post on reddit linking here, so maybe you'll see a sudden influx of new results. Or maybe you won't and I'll be downvoted out of existence, who knows?

Post it on r/ffxiv and your post will get downvoted to oblivion because it puts the game in a negative light

[Deceptus]

Post it on r/ffxiv and your post will get downvoted to oblivion because it puts the game in a negative light

And virtually any actual discussion there is downvoted immediately.

It's essentially all commission art showcase at this point

[RyuDragnier]

Made a post on reddit linking here, so maybe you'll see a sudden influx of new results. Or maybe you won't and I'll be downvoted out of existence, who knows?

Gonna have to be more specific on that, namely in terms of in what context and in what thread. Depending on where you put that it's either going to get brushed away or it's going to get paid attention to.