FFXIV Job Design Feedback

[ty_taurus]

On a separate note, I did some calculating of the average scores for all jobs of each role, compared those values to one another, and also calculated the average score of all EW jobs... I can go back after this and add the role values to each spreadsheet, but I can't include the total EW values since all the information is on separate sheets, and having them all in one place caused the sheet to crash last time. Keep in mind this is from static data right now as of 4.22.2023 and may change over time if more submissions come in.

Scores range from 1 to 10

Last Place: Healers
- Average score: 4.85/10

4th Place: Physical Ranged DPS
- Average Score: 6.6/10

3rd Place: Tanks
- Average Score: 6.8/10

2nd Place: Magical Ranged DPS
- Average Score: 6.92/10 (This actually didn't change whether or not I included Blue Mage. Without BLU it was a flat 6.2, and with BLU it was a 6.915)

1st Place: Melee DPS
- Average Score: 7.38/10

Total Average Endwalker Job Satisfaction at this time:
- 6.51/10

[VentVanitas]

2nd Place: Magical Ranged DPS
- Average Score: 6.92/10

Surprising, I was expecting tank to take second place. Though looking at this now it's insane to think that if SMN wasn't the way it were, caster could've potentially been the best rated role here.

1st Place: Melee DPS
- Average Score: 7.38/10

To absolutely no one's surprise. Meleewalker moment.

[Maltothoris]

Man gotta love looking at those scores. The dps and tanks are all at least in the upper 60s as a D to C - range while healers are flatly in the f range being a considerable margin behind the next highest.

[ForsakenRoe]

SMN really do be dragging the caster role down with it. Even BLU's pretty alright, and that's probably the most divisive job in the entire game, given that it cannot actually play some of the content in the game (come on yoshi, BLU-reka, BLU-DD, BLU-COB and BLU-WU when)

[Aravell]

SMN really do be dragging the caster role down with it. Even BLU's pretty alright, and that's probably the most divisive job in the entire game, given that it cannot actually play some of the content in the game (come on yoshi, BLU-reka, BLU-DD, BLU-COB and BLU-WU when)

As much fun as BLU ultimates would be, unfortunately BLUWU is completely impossible due to the melee and healer LB requirements. It's really sad that they don't allow us to do BLUCOB though, they can even remove the current clear rewards if they think it would be way too easy with BLU (even though the difficulty isn't that high anymore), I'd just have fun getting some friends and running the fight with all BLU.

[RyuDragnier]

As much fun as BLU ultimates would be, unfortunately BLUWU is completely impossible due to the melee and healer LB requirements. It's really sad that they don't allow us to do BLUCOB though, they can even remove the current clear rewards if they think it would be way too easy with BLU (even though the difficulty isn't that high anymore), I'd just have fun getting some friends and running the fight with all BLU.

Unless they decide to allow us to learn Limit Break from Seat of Sacrifice. After all, that's a big boss mechanic in that fight.

[ForsakenRoe]

As much fun as BLU ultimates would be, unfortunately BLUWU is completely impossible due to the melee and healer LB requirements. It's really sad that they don't allow us to do BLUCOB though, they can even remove the current clear rewards if they think it would be way too easy with BLU (even though the difficulty isn't that high anymore), I'd just have fun getting some friends and running the fight with all BLU.

Eh, give em a workaround that functions as a limitbreak, for that fight specifically

Call it the... BLU-ty Action Button

This is quite interesting. SMN has the most number of responses out of any job. The Mode is '1' across the board, accounting for nearly 1 in 4 responses, and giving the dataset a strong right skew, although the rest of the data is fairly evenly split. Many of those '1' entries occur at clustered timestamps, in some cases minutes from each other. It's curious that despite this, there is comparatively less demand for a rework on SMN than there is on AST, which has a similarly negative rating overall. I do think you have to dig into the data a bit to see if a job is actually universally panned, or if it's merely divisive to the point where people are committed to downvote it.

IDK about DRG, but the main cause for complaint I see about SMN seems to be 'its too simple', so it stands to reason that while the current incarnation is 'very negatively received', adding more complexity to it would raise a fair few of those 1's to more acceptable scores. AST on the other hand, very few people enjoy the RSI generator every 2 minutes. Couple that with how many people miss aspects from older incarnations like extending buff durations, multiple different card effects, etc. and it becomes fairly obvious fairly quick why people would want a rework for it.

[Rymi64]

a lot of people feel that dragoon really hasnt got anything new for significant time. Its been 1237814587 and back to 1 since sb in its core rotation, only change being removing impulse drive.
Its level 64-90 was just level 30-60 again. (aoe gcd, jump, fire and forget damage buff, aoe ogcd line, an aoe jump) and mirage dive to replace leg sweep having its damage removed

it got wyrmwind in ew and thats been it for years. everything else was just charges that made the already squeezed ogcd windows even tighter because 2m meta or qol which should not be coming out on expansions but instead in patches.


the devs have yet to realise just because you change the visuals does not mean its a new button to press.

I mean ppl seemingly like the consistency rather than a big shift, at least from what I noticed

[VentVanitas]

I mean ppl seemingly like the consistency rather than a big shift, at least from what I noticed

Consistency is nice and it's definitely the best thing DRG has going for it, but I don't think people are asking for a big rework to shift the direction of the job either. It's more like ShB and EW DRG didn't really do anything new for the job and are just more streamlined versions of SB DRG, unlike say, BLM where it's also in a very similar position except it's allowed tools that add depth to it (Xenoglossy, Paradox and so on) without directly altering its core identity and rotation.

[ForsakenRoe]

Made a post on reddit linking here, so maybe you'll see a sudden influx of new results. Or maybe you won't and I'll be downvoted out of existence, who knows?