Some MMO we have

[Stormpeaks]

Just took a peep at primal, as of this minute 1 dungeon, 6 trials, 5 raids,16 high-end,1 FATE,1 field op and 50 other, yup totally "dead"

Oh my god, a WHOLE 26 parties, on a saturday evening at prime time, and we are happy about that, LMAO

And the "other" tab is literally all venues, there are double the parties for venues than for endgame content

Meanwhile on EU WoW, at 3:40 am, there are about 120 parties recruiting, for endgame content ONLY, at 3:40 AM in the morning.

[DPZ2]

Unfortunately, the OP forgot to tell us about which world that wonderful DPS actually lived, or why they weren't using the regular duty finder (which is fed by players in the Leveling Roulette).

[Atelier-Bagur]

The DF isn't the issue. Everyone quit or is using trusts. That PF posting has the very specific goal of wanting company in an MMO, something hard to do when there isn't content to keep players engaged and when the game just pushes you to do the content with bots instead of people.

False. You dont need PF to form player made groups for basic msq dungeons. Ive used the DF for low level characters on an alt all the time and I havent ran into the situation where the queue is so bad I need to form a PF.

[Ath192]

False. You dont need PF to form player made groups for basic msq dungeons. Ive used the DF for low level characters on an alt all the time and I havent ran into the situation where the queue is so bad I need to form a PF.

Nobody is claiming that. All I'm presenting is evidence someone felt the need to post a PF and describe it as such. Given I feel the game doesn't have content it reinforces my belief that most people have moved on or are playing solo, hence the post of the title "Some MMO we have". I hope this helps understand the sentiment.

[Alleluia]

Most people form premades out of FC members and friends list. And they run most content with PUGs rather than premades. Neither of these will use PF. How many PF parties do you want there to be to be considered "not dead"?

Also, someone posted a screen that had 96 high end party listings, so the discrepancy in PF amounts is likely time and location dependent, not content-dependent.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Nobody is claiming that. All I'm presenting is evidence someone felt the need to post a PF and describe it as such. Given I feel the game doesn't have content it reinforces my belief that most people have moved on or are playing solo, hence the post of the title "Some MMO we have". I hope this helps understand the sentiment.

that still doesnt prove anything though. You're generalizing something you've seen and taking it out of context. If this were the case, you'd see multiple listings of this sort of thing. You cant just pin down one average joe who prolly didnt even try DF to assume what you're arguing about

[Ath192]

Most people form premades out of FC members and friends list. They run most content with random match parties. Neither of these will use PF. How many PF parties do you want there to be to be considered "not dead"? Also, someone posted a screen that had 96 high end party listings, so the discrepancy in PF amounts is likely time and location dependent, not content-dependent.

I feel like people are participating in this thread, but not actually bothering to read what others say, just hope someone else does bother reading theirs lol. Its DC dependent. As far as the - How many PF parties do you want there to be to be considered "not dead" - I was actually not hoping to find something like that in PF. It's such a downer TBH.

The Aether one looks alright. Ideally I'd like to see a ratio of more group up for actual game activities than "others". It tells me there is more things to do in the game that people are actively participating in than "made up" events, where people are just using the game assets to make up stuff because the actual game apparently doesn't appeal to them as much.

that still doesnt prove anything though. You're generalizing something you've seen and taking it out of context. If this were the case, you'd see multiple listings of this sort of thing. You cant just pin down one average joe who prolly didnt even try DF to assume what you're arguing about

I don't think I'm taking it out of context, seems very explicit to me. Do you have any proof they meant the game was full of players dying to do Haukke Manor with them and he chose to put that PF up instead?

[Alleluia]

Nobody is claiming that. All I'm presenting is evidence someone felt the need to post a PF and describe it as such. Given I feel the game doesn't have content it reinforces my belief that most people have moved on or are playing solo, hence the post of the title "Some MMO we have". I hope this helps understand the sentiment.

People also buy mineral water off the market board when you can walk 10 feet and buy it from the vendor for ten less gil. Someone posting a PF group doesn't mean it was actually the only way they'd get a group. Did you check the DF as a DPS for Haukke at the time?

[Ath192]

People also buy mineral water off the market board when you can walk 10 feet and buy it from the vendor for ten less gil. Someone posting a PF group doesn't mean it was actually the only way they'd get a group. Did you check the DF as a DPS for Haukke at the time?

No, I just believed them. What I can tell you I know for a fact though is that I will occasionally fish for insta queues by switching between healer/tank and rarely... DPS and have often found myself waiting a few for several dailies such as 50/60/70/80s and normal raids whereas earlier in the expansion that wasn't a thing.

Your market board point actually benefits me, because people do that out of convenience instead of walking to the store. If that were the case they would be using the DF, I've only seen people use PF when they can't get anyone on DF in my experience.

[Stormpeaks]

I feel like people are participating in this thread, but not actually bothering to read what others say, just hope someone else does bother reading theirs lol. Its DC dependent. As far as the - How many PF parties do you want there to be to be considered "not dead" - I was actually not hoping to find something like that in PF. It's such a downer TBH.

The Aether one looks alright. Ideally I'd like to see a ratio of more group up for actual game activities than "others". It tells me there is more things to do in the game that people are actively participating in than "made up" events, where people are just using the game assets to make up stuff because the actual game apparently doesn't appeal to them as much.



I don't think I'm taking it out of context, seems very explicit to me. Do you have any proof they meant the game was full of players dying to do Haukke Manor with them and he chose to put that PF up instead?

That's mostly the thing with venues tbh, people have to make their own fun because the game itself is well.. just doesnt provide enough fun.

Also you are not taking it out of context, it makes sense with your OP and also with the title. Nothing wrong with it.

People also buy mineral water off the market board when you can walk 10 feet and buy it from the vendor for ten less gil. Someone posting a PF group doesn't mean it was actually the only way they'd get a group. Did you check the DF as a DPS for Haukke at the time?

You are literally boosting their point, because it would be harder for the person to make a PF for Haukke, instead of just queuing up for it. Are you saying that people are creating inconveniences for themselves for the fun of it ?