Class names, how I feel about my character and it's developement.

[Malakhim]

I don't particularly care about your identity crisis. I wasn't even addressing it in the first place.

The point I was making is that contrary to your belief that a "classless" Final Fantasy such as FFXIV has no precedence, there have been several(well-received) entries that are just that.

You're free to lose your shit about your perceptions, but that's all they are.

not all ff games use the class system, they largely do all have airships and chocobos but we are going to get those eventually. This is not a final fantasy fangame. This is not a game that is largely fanservice like say Dissidia. It is the fourteenth game in the main series, because you didnt play 6,7,8,9,10,or 12 doesnt mean that they are obligated to use the ones they had before and it 100% doesnt mean they are prohibited from making new ones.

But you're missing the point.

[Dubont]

I don't particularly care about your identity crisis. I wasn't even addressing it in the first place.

The point I was making is that contrary to your belief that a "classless" Final Fantasy such as FFXIV has no precedence, there have been several(well-received) entries that are just that.

You're free to lose your shit about your perceptions, but that's all they are.



But you're missing the point.

k...you were making a point that some FFs were "classless." My point is that all FFs had a way to make FF classes in the game. 14 does not have that. Lancer can't have jump. There is absolutely no way to make a thief. There is no way to make a monk. There is no way to make a ranger. There is no way to make a red mage. There is no way to make a pure blm...or a pure whm...you'll always be a gimp version...and hell, you won't even be a blackmage. Even if you take all whm spells off of Conjurer and only gave it BLM spells and traits, do you know what you will be? A Con that refuses to do his job. What job is that? Heal mule. The same goes for THM (until a certain point).

[Mr_Gyactus]

k...you were making a point that some FFs were "classless." My point is that all FFs had a way to make FF classes in the game. 14 does not have that. Lancer can't have jump. There is absolutely no way to make a thief. There is no way to make a monk. There is no way to make a ranger. There is no way to make a red mage. There is no way to make a pure blm...or a pure whm...you'll always be a gimp version...and hell, you won't even be a blackmage. Even if you take all whm spells off of Conjurer and only gave it BLM spells and traits, do you know what you will be? A Con that refuses to do his job. What job is that? Heal mule. The same goes for THM (until a certain point).

Define "MONK"

Define "BLACK MAGE"

Define "RANGER".

and you'll have a proper answer.

No! a lancer is not a DRAGOON.
A lancer is a set of skill with lance. what a lot of player is missing is:

the system is sandbox style, not themepark style.
There are not classes and roles well defined because the game it's not done for a single class, but for a set of skills.
They could do as Ultima online, where you had to macros a single skill, they have prefered create "boxes of skills"
Yesterday I was playing as Conjurer with shield skills, debuff from thau, healing and buffes from conjurer and interrupt from melee. It works, and it's fun.

[Dubont]

Define "MONK"

Define "BLACK MAGE"

Define "RANGER".

and you'll have a proper answer.

Archer =/= Ranger. Why? Well one...it's an archer...

Pugilist =/= Monk. Why? One...it's a pugilist. Monks could also use their feet. Pugs cannot. Monks were spiritual and could use Chakra. Pugs are brawlers...

Black Mage =/= Con or Thm. Why? Neither of those say "Black Mage." Black Mages can't use healing spells, most buff spells and can't use light based spells. The opposite goes for a White Mage. Also, the current spells are too under powered to be focused on a specific job. Black Magic Con =/= Black Mage in terms of damage. White Magic Con =/= White Mage in terms of buff power and effectiveness.

[Nephera]

But you're missing the point.

No that was my point, I was just longer and derpier.