Can we get an in-game notice for Auto-demolition

[Jojoya]

Off-topic, but people can currently purchase a free company house at level 2. A player can form their own free company at level 25. As long as a person has been in a free company for 30 days, has the correct permissions, and has access to the housing area they want to buy, a player can bid on a free company house at any level. Not everyone is going to be hitting level 50 within 30 days depending on their work, school, and rl engagements. If someone is low level, and have inherited a free company, we'd want them to have access to how housing works.

Please insert a dose of reality into your arguments. No one completely new to the game is going to be buying a FC house at level 2. The players buying at low level are going to be veteran players who already know how the system works (and likely already own one or more houses). The odds of a brand new player inheriting a FC with house with a level 2 character through normal means is also extremely small.

There's no one cut off from access to a Resident Caretaker at any time, nor is my suggestion going to cut them off. I can create a new character, make a beeline to the non-city entrances to Goblet or Mist and walk right in even if I haven't picked up the "Where the Heart is" quest (obviously a bit tougher if the character starts in Gridania because they'd have to run all the way to Western Thanalan since you can't get the ferryman to LB to unlock until level 10). The Resident Caretaker is there as always with information for those who ask instead of wanting their hands held and the information spoon fed to them.

[WinglessSeraphim]

There's no one cut off from access to a Resident Caretaker at any time, nor is my suggestion going to cut them off. I can create a new character, make a beeline to the non-city entrances to Goblet or Mist and walk right in even if I haven't picked up the "Where the Heart is" quest (obviously a bit tougher if the character starts in Gridania because they'd have to run all the way to Western Thanalan since you can't get the ferryman to LB to unlock until level 10). The Resident Caretaker is there as always with information for those who ask instead of wanting their hands held and the information spoon fed to them.

Brand spanking new chars from Gridania can access Lavender Beds no problems if they just run past Bentbranch and then access it via the ferryman at the docks just NW of Bentbranch. Don't need to be level 10.

[Eirlyss]

Please insert a dose of reality into your arguments. No one completely new to the game is going to be buying a FC house at level 2. The players buying at low level are going to be veteran players who already know how the system works (and likely already own one or more houses). The odds of a brand new player inheriting a FC with house with a level 2 character through normal means is also extremely small.

There's no one cut off from access to a Resident Caretaker at any time, nor is my suggestion going to cut them off. I can create a new character, make a beeline to the non-city entrances to Goblet or Mist and walk right in even if I haven't picked up the "Where the Heart is" quest (obviously a bit tougher if the character starts in Gridania because they'd have to run all the way to Western Thanalan since you can't get the ferryman to LB to unlock until level 10). The Resident Caretaker is there as always with information for those who ask instead of wanting their hands held and the information spoon fed to them.

While it is uncommon for a low level to inherit a free company house, it does happen. Sprouts get a lot of random FC invites. Story usually goes, the sprout played for a few levels, takes a break, comes back a few months later to try the game again, and oops, they inherited a free company and a house. Usually the sprout has completed the housing district quest, and knows there is a resident caretaker to answer faqs. Although, that's not always the case. Level 2 almost never happens, but it's not uncommon in this scenario for the player to be in their 10s or 20s.

I find it more bizarre that you want to increase the level that someone can access the quest that shows where and what the resident caretaker is. You can form a free company as a level 10 archer if you have a DOH/DOL at level 25. If you can form a free company, then you can buy a free company plot after 30 days, and therefore would want access to housing information. It's not spoonfeeding imo to have a quest that mentions where you can find this information, and SE likely agrees since they're the ones that set the quest level. Without the quest, it's not obvious that there is a resident caretaker or what the resident caretaker does. No one should have be shouting in chat or scouring the internet to figure out how a feature works. I don't think many players want to go back to the XI self help levels.

[Stormpeaks]

While it is uncommon for a low level to inherit a free company house, it does happen. Sprouts get a lot of random FC invites. Story usually goes, the sprout played for a few levels, takes a break, comes back a few months later to try the game again, and oops, they inherited a free company and a house. Usually the sprout has completed the housing district quest, and knows there is a resident caretaker to answer faqs. Although, that's not always the case. Level 2 almost never happens, but it's not uncommon in this scenario for the player to be in their 10s or 20s.

I find it more bizarre that you want to increase the level that someone can access the quest that shows where and what the resident caretaker is. You can form a free company as a level 10 archer if you have a DOH/DOL at level 25. If you can form a free company, then you can buy a free company plot after 30 days, and therefore would want access to housing information. It's not spoonfeeding imo to have a quest that mentions where you can find this information, and SE likely agrees since they're the ones that set the quest level. Without the quest, it's not obvious that there is a resident caretaker or what the resident caretaker does. No one should have be shouting in chat or scouring the internet to figure out how a feature works. I don't think many players want to go back to the XI self help levels.

God the cases you are trying to use to justify the notification are like 0.001%, who gets invited to a random FC and then somehow gets master a few months after ? I have never heard of that in 2 years playing this game, just leave it as it is and stop trying to find 0.001% cases to justify it.

It aint rocket science.

[Eirlyss]

God the cases you are trying to use to justify the notification are like 0.001%, who gets invited to a random FC and then somehow gets master a few months after ? I have never heard of that in 2 years playing this game, just leave it as it is and stop trying to find 0.001% cases to justify it.

It aint rocket science.

Let me help you out. You're obviously struggling with reading here. Jojoya mentioned bringing up a suggestion about raising the housing district quest level, then I replied, she replied back, and I've replied again. None of these have to do with notifications. It's an off-topic conversation. Just because you haven't seen any of these examples in your very narrow view of housing, doesn't make them nonexistent. They're outliers for sure, but should be taken into consideration. As you said, it ain't rocket science, but it does require you actually read what is written.

[Jojoya]

While it is uncommon for a low level to inherit a free company house, it does happen. Sprouts get a lot of random FC invites. Story usually goes, the sprout played for a few levels, takes a break, comes back a few months later to try the game again, and oops, they inherited a free company and a house. Usually the sprout has completed the housing district quest, and knows there is a resident caretaker to answer faqs. Although, that's not always the case. Level 2 almost never happens, but it's not uncommon in this scenario for the player to be in their 10s or 20s.

I find it more bizarre that you want to increase the level that someone can access the quest that shows where and what the resident caretaker is. You can form a free company as a level 10 archer if you have a DOH/DOL at level 25. If you can form a free company, then you can buy a free company plot after 30 days, and therefore would want access to housing information. It's not spoonfeeding imo to have a quest that mentions where you can find this information, and SE likely agrees since they're the ones that set the quest level. Without the quest, it's not obvious that there is a resident caretaker or what the resident caretaker does. No one should have be shouting in chat or scouring the internet to figure out how a feature works. I don't think many players want to go back to the XI self help levels.

Did I say that the Where the Heart Is quests should be removed? No, I didn't.

I said there should be a quest once the player is finally eligible to purchase a house that emphasizes talking to the Resident Caretaker to learn about the responsibilities that come with house ownership now that the player is actually able to purchase one.

And please give us one example of where a brand new player with no clue about how housing works inherited a FC with house. Just one. You're grasping at straws and you know it.

The spoonfeeding isn't the quest. The spoonfeeding is piling notification on top of notification instead of expecting players to act like what they should be - responsible individuals.

All someone has to do is actually use their house and notifications are not needed. If they're not using the house, then there is no reason for them to have one when it can go to another player that is.

I guess you're afraid of losing your multiple homes that you only have because you use a spreadsheet to track the last time you entered them.

Let me help you out. You're obviously struggling with reading here. Jojoya mentioned bringing up a suggestion about raising the housing district quest level, then I replied, she replied back, and I've replied again. None of these have to do with notifications. It's an off-topic conversation. Just because you haven't seen any of these examples in your very narrow view of housing, doesn't make them nonexistent. They're outliers for sure, but should be taken into consideration. As you said, it ain't rocket science, but it does require you actually read what is written.

And yet the quest is how the player gets a chance to learn about the notifications. So yes, it does have to do with them.

They can learn about the notifications when they get the Where the Heart Is quest and the Resident Caretaker is mentioned (that almost no one bothers to visit at the time). They'd have a second chance to learn about the notifications if the new quest was added at a time actually relevant.

[WinglessSeraphim]

I guess you're afraid of losing your multiple homes that you only have because you use a spreadsheet to track the last time you entered them.

What... now? Is that all it takes to get multiple houses? A spreadsheet?

Hilarious.

[Jojoya]

What... now? Is that all it takes to get multiple houses? A spreadsheet?

Hilarious.

It's evidently what Eirlyss needs to avoid having the homes they own demo'd. Take a look at post 67

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6231199

On that note, I'm not looking for sympathy either. I've been in housing for over 7 years, and have never lost a house to demo. I use a spreadsheet to keep track of when I've entered my homes. That doesn't mean I don't sympathize with people who are more casual about housing.

As we've been saying all along, someone using their homes wouldn't need a spreadsheet to keep track of when they last entered.

Perhaps the real solution isn't to add more notifications but rather to remove them altogether.

[Eirlyss]

I guess you're afraid of losing your multiple homes that you only have because you use a spreadsheet to track the last time you entered them.

I'm so glad I wasn't drinking when I read this, because I would have had coffee coming out my nose. I was going to type up a serious answer, but it's not worth the time. What next? Spreadsheets are third party tool? How dare I keep track of those 45 days like everyone here keeps telling us to do!11!! Do you realize how absurd you sound?

I'll try to make it simpler. Where the Heart is quests are perfect as they are. They're doing their job. There is no need for a redundant quest 40 levels later. Between the Where the Heart is quests, and the Active Help < Housing (that pops up when you join a free company or do anything housing related for the first time), people have been told enough to visit the resident caretaker.

I'm not the one grasping at straws here. When I was making new characters on Dynamis, I'd have a free company invite within 2 minutes of logging in with a brand new character. Low levels have already inherited some free companies over there. I won't touch on this more. I know that no matter what I say, people will just dogpile it.

As for your last batch of comments. That argument is so far reaching, that Mister Fantastic would be proud of that reach. We were discussing why housing district quests should or should not stay the level they currently are. That had next to nothing to do with in-game notifications, and why I even put in my first statement that it was off-topic. In hindsight, I probably should have bolded the off-topic considering the crowd.

I've already given my reason for why an in-game notification for auto-demolition isn't a terrible idea. If SE can implement a lottery results notification for something that only happened within the last few days, then it's not a long shot to have an in-game auto-demo notification that works the same way. Thank you to those who corrected my misinformation, and to those who just wanted to say why they disagreed. It's been a fun discussion. I'm going to bow out now to save my keyboard from my coffee, just in case someone comes in here citing housing scarcity next. Take care everyone!

[Eirlyss]

On that note, I'm not looking for sympathy either. I've been in housing for over 7 years, and have never lost a house to demo. I have over 100 houses, and use a spreadsheet to keep track of workshops and when I last entered my homes. That doesn't mean I don't sympathize with people who are more casual about housing.

Fixed that last paragraph.