"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Miracle_Diva]

I don't think I have a catalog on this topic. This is a summary of everything I've read. Casuals want to play. And hardcore players complain that the game is getting easier and playing classes is getting easier. I think the lack of parsers in the game exists for this reason. The authors say they do not want conflicts on this topic. But people still find third-party tools and use them to do it. Of course, not in the game itself, but it is enough to read people who laugh at casual games and their gameplay in order to understand how bad everything is.

Even casuals complain about the game getting easier. It's just how things are.
Again, provide examples of people using third party tools and use them to make conflict.

Balance discord - raid chat and ton of laughts cuz somebody use only 3 TBN per raid etc.

Balance discord =/= game. People there mostly focus on raiding. You know, savage stuff.

Let's say I'm a casual MT. Went into normal raid. The boss is in the wrong place. How many seconds will it take before the hardcore "correct" player shows me my spot and takes the boss? 1 or 2? What will I learn during this time?

What's "casual MT"? You either tank boss facing it from the group or you don't. No casual would be happy about boss being moved around or spinned, casuals play melees too.

I will note. Casual (sprout), whether a player without an icon or an ultima weapon, according to my statistics, has never taken the boss even if he is not standing correctly. Casual understand casual. Hardcore player think only about "all must be right all must be like I want". YEP maybe same atmosphere like "toxic casuals" - BUT it - same. Both sides are wrong and both sides must think about them moves.

So it's toxic casuals now? How do you even know what hardcore players think?

I confirm. These examples are not strong arguments. Just a discussion for the sake of finding the truth.

Confusion.

[Kyasunshine]

Even casuals complain about the game getting easier. It's just how things are.
Again, provide examples of people using third party tools and use them to make conflict.


Balance discord =/= game. People there mostly focus on raiding. You know, savage stuff.


What's "casual MT"? You either tank boss facing it from the group or you don't. No casual would be happy about boss being moved around or spinned, casuals play melees too.


So it's toxic casuals now? How do you even know what hardcore players think?

Confusion.

1) Balance discord players play FF. They on same place with me in game. And any player can do it. So I not separater that moment. Any player can loading my logs and discuss without my consent.

2) Casual MT is a who may be do blind run or positions the boss not due north. Who don't do cool dps numbers etc.

3) Watch on 1 point or you can watch reddit and another resourses where SE can't ban players. All hardcore players like themselvs and they like speak like casuals soooo bad lool.

Just my experience of inet searching.

[Miracle_Diva]

1) Balance discord players play FF. They on same place with me in game. And any player can do it. So I not separater that moment. Any player can loading my logs and discuss without my consent.

2) Casual MT is a who may be do blind run or positions the boss not due north. Who don't do cool dps numbers etc.

3) Watch on 1 point or you can watch reddit and another resourses where SE can't ban players. All hardcore players like themselvs and they like speak like casuals soooo bad lool.

Just my experience of inet searching.

Do you do savage? Or ultimate? What kind of logs would anyone would discuss about you if you don't do any of that?

People prefer boss facing north because 1 person moving is better than 7 people moving through the boss because the tank couldn't be bothered. Plus less chances to cleave everyone with an upcoming attack.

Show examples. Or stop throwing random accusations around.

maybe get off the forums and go touch actual grass. goto a movie. do something else lol.

Sometimes you've got to start with yourself first.