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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    You'd think they would be more popular considering how prominent elves are in fiction and fantasy, but they are just not as attractive as some of the other race choices in the game. If female Hrothgars are made more on the beastly side, they will suffer the same fate without question. If the dev team wants players to choose this race, they will undoubtedly have to contest female Viera, Miqo'te, and Hyur.

    My prediction is they will resemble Cheetara from Thundercats.

    They dont need to contest the other races, this isnt for them its for people that wanna play a beast race they've said this
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  2. #32
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    It looks like they pretty much put a roegadyn skin and lion head on the manthra to make the guy hroths. I wouldn't be shocked if they stuck femroe on the femcat frame, and used a lioness head.
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  3. #33
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rymi64 View Post
    They dont need to contest the other races, this isnt for them its for people that wanna play a beast race they've said this
    They fulfilled that promise with male Hrothgar, and delivered the beast race. The decision to include the females came after. Female avatars are the most chosen by players. Many of whom are male players who want something attractive to look at while they go on their adventures. It is also well known that female gamers prefer to control an attractive avatar as well, so female Hrothgar contesting with the other female races is a given.

    Another factor to consider are the headgear complaints, which will continue if female Hrothgar followed the same direction as their male counterparts. They can avoid this by making the females more human in appearance, but by doing so they will undoubtedly face criticism for not making the females more beastly. It's a tough decision for the dev team either way, and the choice they make will be determined by what they feel players want the most. Nobody said they are doing this for them.
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    Last edited by Gemina; 04-16-2023 at 01:53 AM.

  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    They fulfilled that promise with male Hrothgar, and delivered the beast race. Female avatars are the most chosen by players. Many of whom are male players who want something attractive to look at while they go on their adventures. It is also well known that female gamers prefer to control an attractive avatar as well, so female Hrothgar contesting with the other female races is a given.
    ......So we are just suppose to be ok with a Male only: Genderlocked Beast Race.
    Meanwhile the Viera, who have ONLY been presented as Female all throughout FF history, are not allowed to be Gender-locked.
    Literally Playboy Bunny Girls are put into the game, but we "Need" a male counter-part that never existed (well, illustrated) even though Female Characters/Avatars are the most Chosen.

    That was needed.
    But its not ok to have a REAL Female Counterpart to the Hrothgar: a Beastrace, just because human-looking is more popular. So essentially, we shouldn't get ""Female Hrothgar"" but should just get a 3rd Clan of Female-Only Miqote. And Hrothgar players should just be ok with a Male-Only Beast Race.
    Screw Them Right?

    Y'know.....how can anyone say that a Real Female-Counterpart wouldnt or Couldnt be Pretty? That they really wouldnt be popular?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Another factor to consider are the headgear complaints, which will continue if female Hrothgar followed the same direction as their male counterparts. They can avoid this by making the females more human in appearance, but by doing so they will undoubtedly face criticism for not making the females more beastly. It's a tough decision for the dev team either way, and the choice they make will be determined by what they feel players want the most. Nobody said they are doing this for them.
    Considering how apparently people dont like Beast Races so much...Id argue that even IF they were able to wear headgear, it wouldn't matter or boost their population. But you know a better way they can avoid if not outright solve this problem? And its actually a Very easy Solution....Not be lazy, and just take the extra time to make a Hrothgar Version. Or at the very least: similar to how they said they were going to make Unique Hairstyles for the Hrothgar, create some Unique Lv.1 Headgear to make up for it. Create a handful of Helms, and hats, and other types of headgear specifically made for the Hrothgar. Make a couple different styles, and make them Dyeable. And they could add more over time. Sell it in General shops that also sell the Race Specific Starting Gear for cheap.
    This for the Viera as well.

    Its extra work, but that shouldnt be the excuse to leave the Hrothgar: a Race THEY said THEY WANTED to make, behind on options.
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    Last edited by Zanarkand-Ronso; 04-16-2023 at 02:09 AM.

  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    And Hrothgar players should just be ok with a Male-Only Beast Race.
    I generally agree with your point, but it has been repeatedly pointed out, if half-jokingly, that the average Hrothgar player isn't particularly bent out of shape by the absence of women.

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    The joke being they are all gay furries who are into Bara.
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  6. #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi View Post
    I generally agree with your point, but it has been repeatedly pointed out, if half-jokingly, that the average Hrothgar player isn't particularly bent out of shape by the absence of women.

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    The joke being they are all gay furries who are into Bara.
    And you dare disrespect the men who are into women who can destroy them!? FOR SHAME WITH YOU!
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  7. #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi View Post
    The joke being they are all gay furries who are into Bara.
    Look lady, I just want my Dommy Mommy OC.
    Give it to me, Ive been a good boy.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    And you dare disrespect the men who are into women who can destroy them!? FOR SHAME WITH YOU!
    YEAH, For SAME
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    And you dare disrespect the men who are into women who can destroy them!? FOR SHAME WITH YOU!
    You see, I am a 5'1" lesbian, the average Miqo'te girl is already physically imposing enough to be able to physically destroy me, so the perspective is often lost in me.
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  9. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    ......So we are just suppose to be ok with a Male only: Genderlocked Beast Race.
    Meanwhile the Viera, who have ONLY been presented as Female all throughout FF history, are not allowed to be Gender-locked.
    Literally Playboy Bunny Girls are put into the game, but we "Need" a male counter-part that never existed (well, illustrated) even though Female Characters/Avatars are the most Chosen.

    That was needed.
    But its not ok to have a REAL Female Counterpart to the Hrothgar: a Beastrace, just because human-looking is more popular. So essentially, we shouldn't get ""Female Hrothgar"" but should just get a 3rd Clan of Female-Only Miqote. And Hrothgar players should just be ok with a Male-Only Beast Race.
    Screw Them Right?

    Y'know.....how can anyone say that a Real Female-Counterpart wouldnt or Couldnt be Pretty? That they really wouldnt be popular?
    Your passion is admirable and understandable. However, I don't make the rules or set the status quo. The predictions I make are based on what I have personally observed in the game and from the many statements and LLs released from the dev team. This does not mean the decision has already been made to make female Hrothgar more human-like in their appearance. They may very well be more beastly like the males.

    As for being pretty and popular. This assessment doesn't come from an observation of the game or dev statements. This comes from the fact that most people are not attracted to animals, coupled with how much players enjoy controlling attractive characters across all genres of games. Think about those who do choose to play races such as Viera, Miqo'te, and Au ra. Then think about how most players still choose CC options that make them look more human.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Considering how apparently people dont like Beast Races so much...Id argue that even IF they were able to wear headgear, it wouldn't matter or boost their population. But you know a better way they can avoid if not outright solve this problem? And its actually a Very easy Solution....Not be lazy, and just take the extra time to make a Hrothgar Version. Or at the very least: similar to how they said they were going to make Unique Hairstyles for the Hrothgar, create some Unique Lv.1 Headgear to make up for it. Create a handful of Helms, and hats, and other types of headgear specifically made for the Hrothgar. Make a couple different styles, and make them Dyeable. And they could add more over time. Sell it in General shops that also sell the Race Specific Starting Gear for cheap.
    This for the Viera as well.

    Its extra work, but that shouldnt be the excuse to leave the Hrothgar: a Race THEY said THEY WANTED to make, behind on options.
    I wouldn't say the devs are lazy, but I do agree that the proper amount of time should be taken to make the races they release complete so that all races have equal access to CC options and glamour choices. I'm also totally on board for more race specific gear, but the dev team doesn't get a whole lot of love for restrictions on gear.
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  10. #40
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    I'm just going to leave this here because even in 2023, it's still true. We only need to look to the design of au ra for insight into the designer's minds.

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    Last edited by Kacho_Nacho; 04-16-2023 at 03:46 PM.

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