Are there any plans to fix the 'Haurchefant' localization?

[Ravenblade1979]

PSA: THIS IS AN OBVIOUS TROLL

Now let me explain the type of troll this is. took me far too long to figure it out. So back in shadowbringers during one of the patchs there was obviously a mass buying of tomestone mats. one player for faerie one day put up this pf that basically said "don't get scammed, sell your mats on mb for more". now this was done in a way to bait people to respond to him. the result of which was alot of account strikes. So why is this important. Simple. he went in to this with a plan. he planned a troll topic he knew would set people off then had a script in place he never wavered from. I know because i talked to him through the month that bull was allowed up on pf. he never wavered on what he said. it was exact same each time. he even got his friends in on it who frankly were scared to be reported so dropped their pfs quick.

now what does that have to do with this thread. this is the same type of troll. Telkira was probably searching through stuff and found something so obscure about a beloved character that not alot of people frankly know about it. then found links and formulated his argument. If you look through the entire thread. its always the exact same points he brings up and never waivers. even went so far as to say that just because a person don't agree with what he says dont make it a troll. then last night 2 others mysteriously popped in and agreed 100% him with. this mirrors the player on pf to a tee. so thats the level of troll you are dealing with and I wish i had realized much sooner

[Atelier-Bagur]

This is wrong. It was actually a massive uproar within the community about this deviation, to which SE's own localization team had to come out publicly and acknowledge that it was the wrong decision to take, both from a matter of internal procedure and deliberation, to the change itself.

"Theres so much heinous changes of translation that actually damages story scripts and intentions in other rpgs much worse yet you saying that Glenn Haurchefaunt Quagmire is among them has got to be the funniest and most out of touch thing Ive heard somebody trying to seriously argue for."
It's all the same issue culminating from the same broader issue. There are aspects of the change which impact more than just a few funny jokes, it actively impacts how these scenes were written and intended to be received by the original Japanese writers. Overarching mood and pacing is something that has to be considered and planned, and if one thing is altered or removed, it can have a negative impact on the flow of the entire thing.

Much of HW is boring. It is designed to be that way. It grounds itself on politics and intrigue and is perhaps set in one of the most colorless and drab environments in the game, and much of that is intended or outright considered by the designers who work in tandem with the narrative builders. Having "Glenn Haurchefant Quagmire" act the way he does actually throws much of it off and feels like 'emotional relief' rather than comedic relief, which can work when taken into account, but ultimately falls flat when not warranted, which here it wasn't.

He had LITERALLY zero reason to care, to be a 'bro', he is never asked "hey why are you like this", but if his sexual proclivities are there, at least he has something resembling a motivation to help, if not the character's implicit obligations and other facets which ground his character.

I can understand not being amused by it, and there are people who think the character is ruined by it, but that's an extreme position. He's not ruined by this, even among those standards. He's not overshadowed nor defined by it, and in his characterization in the JP script, that point is extremely clear.

looks like somebody skipped ARR, where he gets introduced and you built that trust with him when you help out Francel clear his innocence. So him already caring for the WoL during HW was the product of that development in ARR, no matter how small it was.

[fulminating]

The whole point of localisation is to make something relatable to a different audience. As far as significant changes go this one was pretty well done as it conveys the intended likability of the character to an audience where the initial trope is entirely alien.

From what I've read in interviews, localisation is also carried out earlier than with other games as the fr/de/en/jp translators are in house and with more communication between languages. Even if things like Phlegethon have happened.

[Nyxs]

Think I'm just gonna have to disagree. That he is friendly without it having to "come from" somewhere is what makes him so immediately endearing. He's just a good man, and a good friend.

If he kept the "pervy" tropes then, to me, his amicable attitude would have been immediately suspect.
Rather than kindness being extended for kindness' sake, it would have instead come across like he's just trying to get something from me.

Almost transactional in a way. "I'm only being nice cause I think I'll be able to fuck you".

Not pleasant in the least, and even more suspect given that at the point in the story where he "takes us in" we are in a particularly vulnerable state. Our friends are missing, presumed dead, our base of operations is gone, we are on the run from the authorities, and have no where to turn to.
That he would extend the offer of shelter with all of the above in mind would feel like he is taking advantage.

I genuinely believe that if the JP version were more directly translated I would have had a significantly worse HW experience. Rather than mourning the loss of a friend I believe I would instead be celebrating the death of a predator.

You are over the top and way to sensitive. He isn’t a predator. If you think that is then you need some help and to look up what they really are. I don’t understand how a person so sensitive even indulges Japanese media when alot is like this. Stick to your Western media and let the Japanese writers have what they wrote be shown and not censored.

[Boblawblah]

Stick to your Western media and let the Japanese writers have what they wrote be shown and not censored.

No need, the game already is censored to "Western sensibilities" Thanks to that rogue translator. God bless that person.

[Reimar]

Ew, the Elitist Weebs are (asexually) multiplying.

[Nestama]

I think EN Haurchefant is fine the way he is.

[Ravenblade1979]

this still going on. the troll really keeps baiting people lol

[Telkira]

PSA: THIS IS AN OBVIOUS TROLL

Now let me explain the type of troll this is. took me far too long to figure it out. So back in shadowbringers during one of the patchs there was obviously a mass buying of tomestone mats. one player for faerie one day put up this pf that basically said "don't get scammed, sell your mats on mb for more". now this was done in a way to bait people to respond to him. the result of which was alot of account strikes. So why is this important. Simple. he went in to this with a plan. he planned a troll topic he knew would set people off then had a script in place he never wavered from. I know because i talked to him through the month that bull was allowed up on pf. he never wavered on what he said. it was exact same each time. he even got his friends in on it who frankly were scared to be reported so dropped their pfs quick.

now what does that have to do with this thread. this is the same type of troll. Telkira was probably searching through stuff and found something so obscure about a beloved character that not alot of people frankly know about it. then found links and formulated his argument. If you look through the entire thread. its always the exact same points he brings up and never waivers. even went so far as to say that just because a person don't agree with what he says dont make it a troll. then last night 2 others mysteriously popped in and agreed 100% him with. this mirrors the player on pf to a tee. so thats the level of troll you are dealing with and I wish i had realized much sooner

I...I'm genuinely at a loss for how braindead this type of response is. I'm not a troll, and just because you may disagree with my opinions, or how strongly I hold or ground them, doesn't make me a troll.
Haurchefant isn't 'obscure'. Anyone who played thru the MSQ knows who he was, and if they're at all like me (who plays with JP voiceover) they would have noticed glaring discrepancies with how the character is depicted in the cutscenes themselves vs. the text that appears on screen, even moreso than usual. That's what peaked my interest with this, and when I googled it, it was the apology post by John Crow LITERALLY the first result I found regarding his character, which prompted me to create this thread.

The fact that you STILL continue to summarize my criticisms and complaints in patently misleading or false ways as a means of rhetoric shows how little faith you have in your own position. You have nothing but insults and garbage posts and accusations with no attempt to rebut my accusations.
I don't waiver on my positions because I don't see a reason to. I respect people's sincere critiques about things, but overall if you're going to attempt to rebut my points and not address the subsequent rebuttal in a way that isn't just you restating your previous point, then you obviously don't know how to argue.

[TheMightyMollusk]

this still going on. the troll really keeps baiting people lol

You keep saying it's a troll thread and people should stop posting in it, yet you keep posting in it. You can just walk away, y'know?