"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Kolaina]

i mean aren't you folks just as equally saying that people who say "its not the tanks job soley but anyone" just proving that opinion don't matter either?

End of this all. the "you pull it you tank it" mentality is toxic but so is what a bunch of you are saying as well. Play as you will but don't be shocked if a tank is like..dude lemme pull. if you pull attitude then expect the player to either retaliate or report your stupidity. this is a party dynamic game and if my tank wants to pull..have at it. i will just damage the mob or mobs and move on with my day. my time isnt so important as to force quick runs on people. if you all find your time is. go in with premade groups wanting quick runs and leave the rest of the players to their own devices lol.

This discussion is about tanks refusing to aggro fights they didn’t initiate. That’s a key difference. some of the responses admitting straight up refusal are reportable as griefing. Reporting someone else for pulling is harder to prove malicious intent

People need to stop being so soft

[MaxCarnage]

i mean aren't you folks just as equally saying that people who say "its not the tanks job soley but anyone" just proving that opinion don't matter either?

End of this all. the "you pull it you tank it" mentality is toxic but so is what a bunch of you are saying as well. Play as you will but don't be shocked if a tank is like..dude lemme pull. if you pull attitude then expect the player to either retaliate or report your stupidity. this is a party dynamic game and if my tank wants to pull..have at it. i will just damage the mob or mobs and move on with my day. my time isnt so important as to force quick runs on people. if you all find your time is. go in with premade groups wanting quick runs and leave the rest of the players to their own devices lol.

Saying that it's not the tank's sole decision on how the run goes is not toxic.

Saying that the group interest is more important than a sole person's interest is not toxic.

Saying that double pulling is more fun is not toxic.

Saying that survival is dependant on the healer's capabilities rather than the tank's is not toxic.

No one here is saying that you need to speed run. In fact, all I have seen is people saying that double pulls are more fun.

Also, you can't be banned for pulling as a DPS, but you can get banned for refusal to participate and/or disruption of play by either turning off your stance, not touching the mobs, or refusing to move.

So the petty tank can report all they want for someone else pulling, but at the end of the day, they'll be the ones getting banded for YPYT.

[Ravenblade1979]

This discussion is about tanks refusing to aggro fights they didn’t initiate. That’s a key difference. some of the responses admitting straight up refusal are reportable as griefing. Reporting someone else for pulling is harder to prove malicious intent

People need to stop being so soft

i keep saying its a toxic mentality however i also pointed out the other side is equally as toxic. you got people who don't care if a tank might be new or not settle into their role. the community mentality is anyone pulls and be damned the tank. then you got healers who get just as childish and won't heal their tank being equally as toxic. its toxic on all sides and this is where it all is. its not just one side of the whole picture. its all sides and everyone is equally as toxic lol. also the thread should have been over long ago at any rate. its just a devolved discussion now with both sides poking at each others chest lol.

[Ravenblade1979]

Saying that it's not the tank's sole decision on how the run goes is not toxic.

Saying that the group interest is more important than a sole person's interest is not toxic.

Saying that double pulling is more fun is not toxic.

Saying that survival is dependant on the healer's capabilities rather than the tank's is not toxic.

No one here is saying that you need to speed run. In fact, all I have seen is people saying that double pulls are more fun.

Also, you can't be banned for pulling as a DPS, but you can get banned for refusal to participate and/or disruption of play by either turning off your stance, not touching the mobs, or refusing to move.

So the petty tank can report all they want for someone else pulling, but at the end of the day, they'll be the ones getting banded for YPYT.

again..its toxic all around. end of story. if people dont like my opinion then ignore it but the community as a whole through this whole thread is toxic on both sides lol. i laugh you brought up disruption of gameplay but don't seem to care you disrupting that tanks gameplay. as toxic as the YPYT thing is. you still don't seem to care you disrupting their gameplay. so im done with this thread as a whole. the community has proven its toxic all around on this matter and won't change their minds.

[RyuDragnier]

This discussion is about tanks refusing to aggro fights they didn’t initiate. That’s a key difference. some of the responses admitting straight up refusal are reportable as griefing. Reporting someone else for pulling is harder to prove malicious intent

People need to stop being so soft

There's a lot of grey in that area, tbh. Most tanks that have that motto have an "if" statement...if the healer grabbed the aggro by healing you, the tank WILL grab the aggro to save that healer. However, if the healer doesn't heal you, the tank won't pick any of it up. And if the healer isn't healing you, that's 2 out of the 3 remaining people basically telling you without words that they won't help you if you do it. So half of the party against you, which means they can actually report you for pulling ahead, as well as vote kick you. But likewise, if the tank still isn't picking it up despite the healer getting hit, then they are at fault and can be reported and vote kicked easily.

What matters here is how the majority in the party feel about it. If they're basically telling you to knock it off and you don't, then YOU are the toxic one who will be reported and vote kicked from the duty. This is more clarifying for everyone involved that this is going to be subjective from party to party and from situation to situation.

[VeyaAkemi]

Call me weird but after reading the more recent posts, this really feels like an argument over whether or not single pulls or wall to wall should be the norm in the community at large.

[Boblawblah]

This thread is literally about MCS tanks doing exactly that. That's what the "you pull, you tank" mentality is. Letting someone die for going against you.

And seeing you say that tanks are the sole deciders and the sole pace-makers and anyone else's opinions doesn't matter just proves that you are one of those MCS people.

People say lots of shit, I'm saying in the ACTUAL GAME, how often do you see tanks just purposely letting someone die? How often do you have these big arguments about a tank wanting to control the pace of the run IN GAME? Saying 'this thread is full of' is meaningless if none of it happens in game in any sort of regularity.

[SilverObi]

While not universal, there is certainly a trend of Tank mains being more prone to MCS, it's especially funny when they try to YPYT you, and you don't die...

Had that happen in the Castrum Meridianum recently actually. A level 90 tank decided he wanted to single pull against the requests of the rest of the party and tried to let the healer die by only single targeting in pack pulls. I was the healer and it's impossible to die there

[Kolaina]

you got people who don't care if a tank might be new or not settle into their role.

Sink or swim

[MaxCarnage]

i laugh you brought up disruption of gameplay but don't seem to care you disrupting that tanks gameplay. as toxic as the YPYT thing is. you still don't seem to care you disrupting their gameplay. so im done with this thread as a whole.

Imagine thinking that playing the objective is classified as disruption of gameplay lmao