"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Deceptus]

double pull it is

thats not always wall to wall either. there are players with several tanks or a lvl 80+ tank and single pulling in low lvl dungeons even though they dont get any dmg

Pretty much most dungeons after ARR have walls that mitigate more than 2 pack pulls. The whole concept of "Wall to wall" isn't that hard to begin with.

There are a few exceptions I can think of off the top of my head: Shishui, Castrum Abania, Mt. Gulg, but those dungeons are fun BECAUSE they aren't the norm and allow you to try new things and actually give healers something to heal.

[Ravenblade1979]

If a tank is being incredibly rude and not going at a pace that the rest of the party is comfortable with then they kind of deserve it.
The rest of the parties job isn't really to be an enabler for someone acting like a jerk and needlessly slowing everyone down.

Failure is in an important teacher

- This isn't a hard thing to twist in any single direction to put the "blame" on any singular person in the group. It's a group game and the party is not obligated to wait for the tank to get their shit together. 2dps and a healer can kill mob packs one at a time with no tank anyway. There's literally no purpose in having a tank if they don't double pull.

its not up to the party to dictate to any other member how fast or slow a person goes. if a tank wants to go slow, adapt and go slow. if you feel your time is too precious to go the pace of one of the party then shouldn't have queued in the first place. just leave the instance, take the half hour hit and requeue. the mentality you propose is way too prominent and does nothing but turn players off from wanting to run with people. why you think trusts are added to more and more content. theres lots of people who don't want to put up with this bull mentality. theres also people i know who refuse to run dailies without a specific friend of theirs. gee i wonder why.

if the community indeed shifted this way..then its no wonder more and more use trusts to run content. far easier then dealing with bull mentality like this. Now, this thread is about a toxic tank mentality of "you pull you tank". which whatever, let the tank do that. just do your job, get the run done and move on with your day lol.

[Ravenblade1979]

Its only rood if tank asked them not to do it, or tank Obviously(low gear/low skill) not able to keep up with the task. If tank able to tank pulled pack and not doing it on purpose, in order to "teach" someone how to play - its rude. Plus saying in chat insults like "you pull - you tank" - double rude.

ive noticed that not alot of people actually say something in party chat. so if a tank says nothing you really just can't assume.

[Iyrnthota]

ive noticed that not alot of people actually say something in party chat. so if a tank says nothing you really just can't assume.

I would. If the tank doesn't object, I'd assume they're perfectly fine with it.

[Xirean]

its not up to the party to dictate to any other member how fast or slow a person goes. if a tank wants to go slow, adapt and go slow. if you feel your time is too precious to go the pace of one of the party then shouldn't have queued in the first place. just leave the instance, take the half hour hit and requeue. the mentality you propose is way too prominent and does nothing but turn players off from wanting to run with people. why you think trusts are added to more and more content. theres lots of people who don't want to put up with this bull mentality. theres also people i know who refuse to run dailies without a specific friend of theirs. gee i wonder why.

if the community indeed shifted this way..then its no wonder more and more use trusts to run content. far easier then dealing with bull mentality like this. Now, this thread is about a toxic tank mentality of "you pull you tank". which whatever, let the tank do that. just do your job, get the run done and move on with your day lol.

You're suggesting that a single individual in the party (the tank) has more say in the pace of the run than 3 other people. That is incredibly flawed. If I'm in a run with a slow tank and the rest of the party wants to go fast, then it's not really up to the tank. 3 people want to go faster, so they will. Now if I'm in a party with a tank that wants to go slow and I indicate a desire to go faster and the rest of the party wants to go slow, then I'm outvoted and speak nothing of it further. The idea that I should resign my vote due exclusively to not being the tank at a given moment is asinine. If people want to use trusts or run with friends more than solo queing then that is their choice of how to interact with the majority vote concept.

[Leifei]

skiros is this the only way you can get people to talk to you

Whoa. Sounds like this guy is infamous. His post here is accurate about good tank behavior though.

[VeyaAkemi]

Whoa. Sounds like this guy is infamous. His post here is accurate about good tank behavior though.

Eh, you know what they say about broken clocks...

[Ravenblade1979]

You're suggesting that a single individual in the party (the tank) has more say in the pace of the run than 3 other people. That is incredibly flawed. If I'm in a run with a slow tank and the rest of the party wants to go fast, then it's not really up to the tank. 3 people want to go faster, so they will. Now if I'm in a party with a tank that wants to go slow and I indicate a desire to go faster and the rest of the party wants to go slow, then I'm outvoted and speak nothing of it further. The idea that I should resign my vote due exclusively to not being the tank at a given moment is asinine. If people want to use trusts or run with friends more than solo queing then that is their choice of how to interact with the majority vote concept.

again with that flawed mentality of yours. 3 people don't dictate what another does in the run. that can have negative effects just so your highness can have a faster run and be out quicker. i mean in that case, form your own party who wants to quickly get through dailies and run with them. if the community has indeed devolved to this thinking then i fear for new players. they will be taught this unfortunate way to think increasing toxic behavior while other newer players might be turned off of the game or fear running any content with other players. how this community won best community this year is beyond me when trash thinking like this exists.

seriously, anyone with this thinking, create your own static parties and run content daily with each other.

[Xirean]

again with that flawed mentality of yours. 3 people don't dictate what another does in the run. that can have negative effects just so your highness can have a faster run and be out quicker. i mean in that case, form your own party who wants to quickly get through dailies and run with them. if the community has indeed devolved to this thinking then i fear for new players. they will be taught this unfortunate way to think increasing toxic behavior while other newer players might be turned off of the game or fear running any content with other players. how this community won best community this year is beyond me when trash thinking like this exists.

seriously, anyone with this thinking, create your own static parties and run content daily with each other.

Apparently having an equal say on the pace of a run is now toxic. Who would have guessed?

[Iyrnthota]

again with that flawed mentality of yours. 3 people don't dictate what another does in the run. that can have negative effects just so your highness can have a faster run and be out quicker. i mean in that case, form your own party who wants to quickly get through dailies and run with them. if the community has indeed devolved to this thinking then i fear for new players. they will be taught this unfortunate way to think increasing toxic behavior while other newer players might be turned off of the game or fear running any content with other players. how this community won best community this year is beyond me when trash thinking like this exists.

seriously, anyone with this thinking, create your own static parties and run content daily with each other.

From a strictly technical point of view, 3 people do dictate what the other does in the run, because they are the majority and have enough votes to kick if necessary. That's just how the game works.

I'd also object to the implication that people only go wall to wall because they want the run to end quicker. Personally, I do it because I find it more fun and engaging, where single pulls are really rather boring. Fortunately, I happen to be in the majority it seems.