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  1. #61
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    Payadopa Astraya
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    Conjurer Lv 71
    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    A slow tank is disrespectful to three others' time.
    I'm not playing video games with efficiency in mind, sorry. People can use PF if they want to speed run.
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  2. #62
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Coeurl
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Myrany View Post
    Probably a stupid question but bard have an ability to speed up the whole party (sorry name escapes me atm). Is that effective enough to be used instead of sprint for this sort of mitigation?

    ie If you have a bard and they are using their ability liberally can a tank then save sprint for other things?

    These are genuine questions not trolls.
    Peloton (available to all the Phys ranged jobs) only applies when out of combat. The moment the player is on a creature's enmity list (as opposed to being hit by them), the effect is removed.

    It's helpful getting to the next group of mobs faster after a boss dies but doesn't offer any advantage when it comes to mitigation.
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  3. #63
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    Burning Winter
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    I'm not playing video games with efficiency in mind, sorry. People can use PF if they want to speed run.
    I'm playing video games with efficiency in mind, sorry. People can use PF if they want to stop and sniff every flower on the way.
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  4. #64
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    Myrany Wilzuun
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    Zalera
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    Miner Lv 87
    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Peloton (available to all the Phys ranged jobs) only applies when out of combat. The moment the player is on a creature's enmity list (as opposed to being hit by them), the effect is removed.

    It's helpful getting to the next group of mobs faster after a boss dies but doesn't offer any advantage when it comes to mitigation.
    TY for the information.

    Oh well it was a nice thought for a solution to the OPs dilemma
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  5. #65
    Player SassyAssassin's Avatar
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    Cinnabun Arulaq
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    Sage Lv 100
    What are we fighting about today? I don’t have time to check the whole thread D:
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  6. #66
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    Tigore Collson
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    White Mage Lv 100
    It has a 2 way topic. The first one is discussing why tanks are always the adventurer in need. The original poster was proposing it was because it was the other healers and DPS rudely pulling for the tank. It became apparent that they use Sprint during combat instead of for dragging the first group to the second one for wall to wall pulls. There have been a few arguments about whether non-tanks should pull or not. Most would agree that an accidental face pull is easily forgiven and they must at the very least drag the enemies to the tank. Bonus points if the DPS uses cooldowns like Second Wind, Bloodbath, Arms Length, Leg Graze slows, stuns and interrupts so the healer doesn't have to stress on the unconventional events.

    I have actually used the stun when there was a spell NPC refusing to move for one of the level 50 dungeons. I decided to take care of it for my FC tank by singling it out with Midare Setsugekkas near the end of the pull and kick stunning it to remove the damage they were doing to us. The NPC pretty much died in the middle of the stun. I might of done it sooner, but I was on the other side of the mob of enemies taking care of AoE damage at first.
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  7. #67
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Myrany View Post
    TY for the information.

    Oh well it was a nice thought for a solution to the OPs dilemma
    SCH's EXPEDIENT ability on the other hand. . . *chef's kiss* sprint equivalent + mitigation.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  8. #68
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    Zedlizvez Mikasch
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    Hyperion
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    SCH's EXPEDIENT ability on the other hand. . . *chef's kiss* sprint equivalent + mitigation.
    True, but is it REALLY a capstone level 90 ability? Feels more like a level 50 ability... (can we PLEASE get it at level 50?)
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  9. #69
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    Veya Akemi
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICountFrom0 View Post
    True, but is it REALLY a capstone level 90 ability? Feels more like a level 50 ability... (can we PLEASE get it at level 50?)
    Expedient is so stupidly good as is that it had to be nerfed, and it is still amazing, it used to be 20 second movement buff but it was unreasonably long for combat, it's the biggest example of "boring but practical" in this game.

    See also: Why I always carry Lost Impetus in CLL/Dal runs in Bozja, except when I am on Healer duty and I have Lost Cure IV instead.
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  10. #70
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    Celes Bradford
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    Typhon
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    Paladin Lv 100
    My guess is that they needed a default when there is no one queueing (thus no adventurer in need). So they choose tank.
    At least that's my experience. With healer, I gets an instant queue when it appears. With tank, I sometimes have to wait several minutes.

    I also believe that when there is no one queueing a duty, they choose one at random so that there is no ridiculous wait. But their algo needs tweaking. I am sick tired of Crystal Tower on alliances raids.
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