why the crystal tower raids are still part of the roulette?

[TheMightyMollusk]

I wouldn't really say the Nier raids are longer (aside from Paradigm's Breech, mostly because of drawn-out cutscenes), so much as they show you how much of the party is slacking off. Power creep and inflated item levels have made Crystal Tower such a joke that half of the bosses in the first two don't even get to do most of their mechanics anymore. A group that's on point in Copied Factory can skip plenty; I've seen parties that burned down the second boss before the floors made a complete rotation, or killed 9S before he could take his second bombing run, or Engels before he tried to clap. But a lot of people in Duty Finder slack off, so it's more noticeable.

[Toutatis]

Moving CT to MSQ roullette is a logical choice at this point.

I have not touch the roullette in years.
I refuse to unless getting CT is like 20% chance or the mechanics becomes meaningful again.

I get it about 20-30% of the time on a lvl 80+ on my DC at the hours I play. Why remove everything from lower level players or players who have not completed HW regardless of level, have not unlocked the other raids for whatever reason (story skip, new player wanting to do MSQ) or are leveling alternate jobs? It makes no sense. 8m roulette is now lvl 60+ and now the introduction to 24m would also be gone along with a significant chunk of daily XP. There would be little left to do for those players, all to satisfy a minority.

What needs to be done is to provide incentives and facilitate unlocking the other ARS to increase the qualified player base (see my post above) to shorten the queue on some DCs. Otherwise, we'll just end up with a roulette with a very long queue like the 50/60/70/80 roulette and Void Ark will end up being the new CT ppl complain about ( it is duller than any of the CT raids).

[TaleraRistain]

I wouldn't really say the Nier raids are longer (aside from Paradigm's Breech, mostly because of drawn-out cutscenes), so much as they show you how much of the party is slacking off. Power creep and inflated item levels have made Crystal Tower such a joke that half of the bosses in the first two don't even get to do most of their mechanics anymore. A group that's on point in Copied Factory can skip plenty; I've seen parties that burned down the second boss before the floors made a complete rotation, or killed 9S before he could take his second bombing run, or Engels before he tried to clap. But a lot of people in Duty Finder slack off, so it's more noticeable.

I saw that more before the stat squish but now after the stat squish it's incredibly rare. Even a couple times I have seen 9S brought down almost dead, he still does the second Undock. So SE may have put something in that he does it regardless now.

[VeyaAkemi]

Y'now, I was thinking back on this thread while doing my daily CT run, and I feel this image speaks to the absolute state of WoD more than anything, you can talk down the first two, but WoD provides much excitement of the wrong kind...

[TaleraRistain]

Y'now, I was thinking back on this thread while doing my daily CT run, and I feel this image speaks to the absolute state of WoD more than anything, you can talk down the first two, but WoD provides much excitement of the wrong kind...

Haha I can see from the hint of the icons that that's the first boss. Luckily things tend to get better from there.

[magitekLuna]

I get it about 20-30% of the time on a lvl 80+ on my DC at the hours I play. Why remove everything from lower level players or players who have not completed HW regardless of level, have not unlocked the other raids for whatever reason (story skip, new player wanting to do MSQ) or are leveling alternate jobs? It makes no sense. 8m roulette is now lvl 60+ and now the introduction to 24m would also be gone along with a significant chunk of daily XP. There would be little left to do for those players, all to satisfy a minority.

What needs to be done is to provide incentives and facilitate unlocking the other ARS to increase the qualified player base (see my post above) to shorten the queue on some DCs. Otherwise, we'll just end up with a roulette with a very long queue like the 50/60/70/80 roulette and Void Ark will end up being the new CT ppl complain about ( it is duller than any of the CT raids).

what you just Sayed was so analogical i cant even.
"Why remove everything from lower level players" how moving it to a different place remodeling it? "players who have not completed HW regardless of level" so people that are to lazy to go and play the game need to be the norm on witch we live mow? "new player wanting to do MSQ" they will do msq this roulette is not even something they will do. msq now just level you up perfectly.
now i give you that yes they need to add incentives to do older content. because we can talk all day about what's more fun or not but most people will take the short cut if they can as long as there nothing for them to get.

[magitekLuna]

Y'now, I was thinking back on this thread while doing my daily CT run, and I feel this image speaks to the absolute state of WoD more than anything, you can talk down the first two, but WoD provides much excitement of the wrong kind...

if this really from CT this people need to just delete the character they play and start over and this time L2P

[TaleraRistain]

if this really from CT this people need to just delete the character they play and start over and this time L2P

This is often the WoD experience on Aether, especially when I play DPS. On healer I can usually keep things together for my group and help out others.

[TheMightyMollusk]

It's WoD. Looking away from the Angry Meatball is the hardest mechanic left, followed by chaining the doggo.

[VeyaAkemi]

It's WoD. Looking away from the Angry Meatball is the hardest mechanic left, followed by chaining the doggo.

Oh, that's the funny part, as someone who has had a lot, lot, looooot of bad experiences with Angra, I can assure you, his problem isn't the pletora of instakill... sometimes it is, I had runs where we repeatedly wiped on him because 15+ people were dying to his gaze doom, but the really deadly and insidious part are his adds, to elaborate... immediately after the roulette mechanic resolves, he will spawn two Ahriman adds, these adds must be killed as soon as possible, if they aren't killed within a minute or so, they will cast Eyes On Me, which is a huge raidwide blast that deals 4-5k damage... in a raid where your max HP is just over 5k as a DPS, you only really need two people to target them, they don't have that much HP, but if you can't kill them because, say, you were hit with Level 150 Death and people didn't move out of the circle which means you died by no fault of your own, or everyone assumed that someone else would get them which means nobody got them(...never do that), they will wipe the raid or get damn close with the only survivors being those who were outside their range.

In that screenshot, that's exactly what happened, I had barely survived the blast, and immediately hit Max-Potion+Second Wind(my trusty Max-Potion stack is a godsent as idiot-proofing in ARR content), which put me at a comfy amount of HP on my own, but I still witnessed a whole alliance get utterly demolished in one second.

if this really from CT this people need to just delete the character they play and start over and this time L2P

I wish I lived in your world, wherever that might be? that's not even my worst WoD run this week, we somehow managed to not wipe even once, see this post for my second worst WoD experience of all time... because we at least cleared, my worst period was a Disband after the 5th wipe at Angra, it cannot be stressed enough how much people suck at this game, a while back I was running MSQ Roulette with an FC buddy who uses ACT for his own benefit, me Tanking and him Healing, and he showed me the log after... I was dealing as much damage as both DPS combined, as a level 50 WAR, where the extent of my damage dealing is my 1-2-3 combo, Inner Beast every so often, and 3 guaranteed crits hits every minute, Gaius got to 76% on his LB sequence for crying out loud...