Want to know why tank is almost always the role in need?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

What Avoidy said is an interesting bit. One of my other FC members said he did manage to get on right after maintenance was done to see who would be the adventurer in need that time. It was always the tank even though we shouldn't see much queuing yet. It's probably just because they are in the top party slot or something like that. So if a couple roles are actually competing to be adventurer in need, it goes by the role in the highest top slot. It also takes a few minutes to refresh changes to who is in need too.

I suspect it's interface limitation. Something like "If all roles are equally in need, then pick X role."

Considering the duty finder window can only show 1 icon per roulette, they're probably putting tank icon as #1 prio. Just.. a maybe...

Personally I'm echo'ing those other people who also cited getting instant queues the moment they swap to healers...

[TaleraRistain]

Ngl still wish tank had an enemy pull in skill for a role action, an aoe or single target either would be handly. Most of the work the work is already done too, they already exist as BLU skills...

Tank AoE Hydro Pull would be pretty awesome

[Kacho_Nacho]

Edit: Forget it. Too many people not even bothering to read what I write. Not checking this thread anymore.

Ugh. You just have to accept that threads drift. You're in for a lot of headaches if you don't.

Moving onwards, to touch on the topic you deleted, I feel you are shooting yourself in the foot by reserving Sprint as a mitigation tool. As a tank, it's a given you must adapt to the challenges you face.

If some of those challenges are that characters kept running ahead of you and pulling mobs, the proper course of action is to start using Sprint to get ahead of the party and use your tanking abilities to grab aggro. It's not to run to the Forums then flip out when some people disagree with you.

There, I said my piece. Now, I'm going to enjoy this custom blend coffee I just brewed.

A slow tank is disrespectful to three others' time.

Not sure if I agree with that. Respect must be given to the tank too. There is this thing called "tank anxiety" where a lot of tanks are afraid they're going to mess up, myself included.

So, I have found the best course of action is two-step. The first is communication. The tank has to let the others know that they are uncomfortable with large pulls. The second is for the tank to be willing to go a bit out of their comfort zone. Instead of wall to wall pulls, pull two groups. The next pull, try three groups,etc...

Tank AoE Hydro Pull would be pretty awesome

WHOA! I didn't know how badly I wanted that ability until you mentioned it.

[Chie_M]

Now, I'm going to enjoy this custom blend coffee I just brewed.

You can't just leave us hanging like that, Kacho! What's the blend?

[ICountFrom0]

It's funny that one of the first replies is talking about how the "general opinion" here is that tanks arn't in control of the timing of a run... but folks get that view from the troll threads. Either troll threads that turn into huge arguments that the trolls pretend to win, or troll threads that nobody challenges because it's recognized as a troll thread.

Perhaps tanks ARE in need because people are tired of other people pulling enough to wipe the tank. Surely the tank knows how good, or bad they are at mitigation. Ever see the posts on that other reddit, the one the trolls banned from places hang out? They complain the most about tank + healer teams, that are carefully pulling just exactly what the tank and healer know they can handle, and ignoring the DPS who try to start fights. If the tank knows how much they can mitigate, and the healer knows how much they can heal, they still want to be the DPS that controls the speed somehow?

Over here if you see the complaint, they try to not be quite so obvious about it, but it is almost always a DPS that is doing the complaining. You almost never see a healer saying "go ahead, pull more" and being ignored, and then complaining on the forum.

So yha, of course tanking isn't happening as much. When DPS think they can just grab as much as they want, pull it back to the tank, and wipe the party because the tank wasn't pulling more then they could handle... and then the tank gets the blame for not being good enough?

[Deceptus]

Ugh. You just have to accept that threads drift. You're in for a lot of headaches if you don't.

Moving onwards, to touch on the topic you deleted, I feel you are shooting yourself in the foot by reserving Sprint as a mitigation tool. As a tank, it's a given you must adapt to the challenges you face.

The problem is: Sprint absolutely IS a mitigation tool but is far better served being used between packs. Because every second mobs aren't hitting you is mitigation. There isn't any AoE that can't be avoided with standard running.

[Renalt]

If the DPS want to pull more for me that's fine. They can help out but alternating their Arms Length to get that sweet slow on every single set of mobs.

Of course I tend to wall to wall anyway but hey if they want to lead it ill allow it if they at least do that one thing for me. You got bloodbath/second wind. Clean yourself a bit after I take those slowed down mobs from ya.

[Kacho_Nacho]

You can't just leave us hanging like that, Kacho! What's the blend?

Hi Chie! It's a mix of Ethiopian, Indian Monsoon, and Columbian. I made it up out of leftover beans. It worked out deliciously! It's somewhat dark but doesn't linger on the tongue.

It's funny that one of the first replies is talking about how the "general opinion" here is that tanks aren't in control of the timing of a run... but folks get that view from the troll threads. Either troll threads that turn into huge arguments that the trolls pretend to win, or troll threads that nobody challenges because it's recognized as a troll thread.

Perhaps tanks ARE in need because people are tired of other people pulling enough to wipe the tank. Surely the tank knows how good, or bad they are at mitigation. Ever see the posts on that other reddit, the one the trolls banned from places hang out? They complain the most about tank + healer teams, that are carefully pulling just exactly what the tank and healer know they can handle, and ignoring the DPS who try to start fights. If the tank knows how much they can mitigate, and the healer knows how much they can heal, they still want to be the DPS that controls the speed somehow?

Over here if you see the complaint, they try to not be quite so obvious about it, but it is almost always a DPS that is doing the complaining. You almost never see a healer saying "go ahead, pull more" and being ignored, and then complaining on the forum.

So yha, of course tanking isn't happening as much. When DPS think they can just grab as much as they want, pull it back to the tank, and wipe the party because the tank wasn't pulling more than they could handle... and then the tank gets the blame for not being good enough?

I really think a lot of this is overstated because of the need of some people to stir up drama. As for the shortage of tanks, it just comes down to the simple case that people prefer to tank with people they know. Furthermore, tanks, for better or worst, are seen as the leaders of the party. A lot of people don't want to have that responsibility placed on their shoulders in a game.

The problem is: Sprint absolutely IS a mitigation tool but is far better served being used between packs. Because every second mobs aren't hitting you is mitigation. There isn't any AoE that can't be avoided with standard running.

I guess I never realized Sprint is a mitigation tool. I always treated it as a means of getting through an instance faster. Learned something new. Thanks.

[TaleraRistain]

WHOA! I didn't know how badly I wanted that ability until you mentioned it.

Me either until Hanayumi mentioned it.

Maybe Hydro Pull for tanks, Excuviation for healers (my kingdom SE for AoE Esuna), and Nightbloom for dps? Or one of the really cool primal AoE spells.

[Myrany]

The problem is: Sprint absolutely IS a mitigation tool but is far better served being used between packs. Because every second mobs aren't hitting you is mitigation. There isn't any AoE that can't be avoided with standard running.

Probably a stupid question but bard have an ability to speed up the whole party (sorry name escapes me atm). Is that effective enough to be used instead of sprint for this sort of mitigation?

ie If you have a bard and they are using their ability liberally can a tank then save sprint for other things?

These are genuine questions not trolls.