Twitch streamers still blatantly cheating on stream.

[Kolaina]

In fact, no one has yet refuted it, which is my issue.

You agree graphical enhancements don't give players an advantage? Then they are, by definition, not cheats.

I agree. Still against the ToS. But definitely not cheating.

[Kolaina]

Minor:
Dalamud Plugin "Triple triad solver". One can argue this only works against NPCs.

Medium:
Dalamud Plugin "Shows where Bamboo falls.". This gives you an advantage against other players.
Dalamud Plugin "There are spaces where there is less overlap by potential AOEs". This gives you an advantage against other players.

Severe:
Dalamud Plugin "Showing exactly where to stand since 2020.". This gives you an advantage against other players while in combat.
Dalamud Plugin "A bunch of utilities to simplify bosses.". This gives you an advantage against other players while in combat. And if the entire group has it, everybody knows where to stand, move or look at all major duties, including Ultimates and Extremes.
ACT Custom Triggers: matches a text, triggers a text message, sound, or text to speech function. This gives you an advantage against other players while in combat.

Considering those are functions not available to non-PC players, as questionable or minor they are, they are giving an advantage to some players, so they are technically cheating. And I won't even go into the botting piece that, well, I've seen streamers doing pretty interesting rotations that have certain bot signatures.

Obviously you didn’t comprehend “graphical enhancements”. Things you described give advantages

[4clubbedace]

I think the thing that gets people is too many of you are hung up on the "cheating" aspect, as some form of moral argument.

Unfortunatly, none of that really matters. Maybe yoshi cares, but not square. All they care about is publicity and anything that might hurt buisness, sometimes those intersect, but not always.

They say all mods are against tos as that blanket statment makes it easier than pick and choose what new plugin or mod of the day is ok for third party use.

"cheating" for world first with zoom is JUST AS BAD as the big tiddie horny mods you see, there is no tierlest or heiarchy of what is ok and what isnt, there all against tos because its bad publicity (in the case of the second, can get them in trouble with regulators since this is technically not a M game. )

Hence: theres no point in caring what other people do. And my general recomendation is to not have loose lips. This is squares issue, let them handle.

[KatiaRelanah]

I think the thing that gets people is too many of you are hung up on the "cheating" aspect, as some form of moral argument.

Almost, but not for the reason you might think. Or perhaps just what other ardent anti-mod people think.

My hangup is that it is being used as a cudgel to tell people "oh you only want mods because you wanna cheat!" It\\'s reductionist as hell. Some people might want modded content because they intend solely to use it for cosmetic reasons. Yet to hear the opposition to this desire, every single such person is secretly cheating scum who just wants to trojan horse in unfair gameplay mods under the guise of "wanting the game to look prettier."

No, dude. Some people literally and exclusively just want the game to look prettier.

Unfortunatly, none of that really matters. Maybe yoshi cares, but not square. All they care about is publicity and anything that might hurt buisness, sometimes those intersect, but not always.

They say all mods are against tos as that blanket statment makes it easier than pick and choose what new plugin or mod of the day is ok for third party use.

This is true, but one can still lobby for consideration of something allowing for certain, objectively-not-cheat mods in an official capacity.

Wanting an extra window that tells you where certain mobs spawn is just being petty at something that has literally no bearing on you. As well tell people with 3080s they MUST sell them and downgrade to [whatever the equivalent to get PS4-level graphics would be] cuz they have something someone doesn't!

And no, for the umpteenth time, this doesn't mean I endorse or support things adding in automated functions not otherwise available. I could browse the wiki and look up that mob's spawn and write it down in a physical notebook - I can NOT automatically place down markers throughout a Raid and make callouts for mechanics the moment they happen. One is within my abilities, be it physical or digital, one is not.

"cheating" for world first with zoom is JUST AS BAD as the big tiddie horny mods you see, there is no tierlest or heiarchy of what is ok and what isnt, there all against tos because its bad publicity (in the case of the second, can get them in trouble with regulators since this is technically not a M game. )

No, dude, it really isn't. It's just as against ToS, by virtue of ToS forbidding ALL modifications, but there is not an equivalence between a thing that allows a player (or players) to get something OTHERS DON'T (being the first is definitionally a limited-supply thing that must be completed for), and someone seeing big boobies where someone else doesn't. One is a competition. One is not. One is cheating. One is not. "Having something someone else doesn't" is not inherently cheating, again otherwise my PC is me cheating vs someone at minimum requirements.

[Frodnoxx]

Obviously you didn’t comprehend “graphical enhancements”. Things you described give advantages

I think in P3(S) some users were using graphical mods to desaturate the arena so that aoes weren't bright orange on bright orange and that is technical giving an advantage as it could be interpreted that the... difficult visual design is part of the challenge. Similar to how not being able to zoom out further is part of the challenge in TOP I guess. I'm not taking sides, it was just an example that came to mind.

[KatiaRelanah]

I think in P3(S) some users were using graphical mods to desaturate the arena so that aoes weren't bright orange on bright orange and that is technical giving an advantage as it could be interpreted that the... difficult visual design is part of the challenge. Similar to how not being able to zoom out further is part of the challenge in TOP I guess. I'm not taking sides, it was just an example that came to mind.

But that's where the witch hunting utterly fails. I get that you're just inputting data, but I'm gonna address it since it's here, this isn't at you but at the "muh cheating" folks here:

What if I changed the color temperature via my monitor settings? That can achieve the same result. Do you declare it "cheating"? What, because I don't have hardware homogeneity with everyone else?

Hope literally NO ONE saying this is "cheating" has anything more than the minimum requirements. Otherwise, YOU'RE the filthy cheater.

How do you justify yourself, cheaters? Paying to win over less-wealthy SE customers, shame on you.

[HQuest]

Obviously you didn’t comprehend “graphical enhancements”. Things you described give advantages

While I do not know if this can or cannot be made within FFXIV, I will refer to an old event that I have seen and felt first hand:

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/wo.../1100-6160983/

The “mod” was a single file containing a replacement texture. This texture matched the game texture and replaced a 320x320px wall by a 1x1px version of it, allowing us to freely jump down into last instance boss and skip the full crapton of trash mobs.

Can graphical enhancements give players an advantage? Maybe. It does not make sense, though, since the way fights in FF are designed. Is it possible? Yes. See above. Can those be considered cheating? Questionable. Is it against game’s Terms of Use? Yes. Are they legal? If against ToU, I wouldn’t classify them as legal.

[HQuest]

But that's where the witch hunting utterly fails. I get that you're just inputting data, but I'm gonna address it since it's here, this isn't at you but at the "muh cheating" folks here:

What if I changed the color temperature via my monitor settings? That can achieve the same result. Do you declare it "cheating"? What, because I don't have hardware homogeneity with everyone else?

Hope literally NO ONE saying this is "cheating" has anything more than the minimum requirements. Otherwise, YOU'RE the filthy cheater.

How do you justify yourself, cheaters? Paying to win over less-wealthy SE customers, shame on you.

Using this same logic, anyone with a programmable keyboard or mouse (Logitech/Razer) can use their apps to record macros, put them into repeat mode and go do something else while your char farms isle sanctuary level points, or craft items until you run out of materials/shards.

This reminds me of an YouTuber that went play a mobile FPS game, using a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard. He was just unbeatable.

[4clubbedace]

No, dude, it really isn't. It's just as against ToS, by virtue of ToS forbidding ALL modifications, but there is not an equivalence between a thing that allows a player (or players) to get something OTHERS DON'T (being the first is definitionally a limited-supply thing that must be completed for), and someone seeing big boobies where someone else doesn't. One is a competition. One is not. One is cheating. One is not. "Having something someone else doesn't" is not inherently cheating, again otherwise my PC is me cheating vs someone at minimum requirements.

modifications in any regard to the game , even to look pretty, better textures, or different assets is still TOS.

Even if other people "cant see in game". No other player can really see what plugins or mods ou use, they can however, see if you post pictures or vids elsewhere. Modified characters, in certain scenarios and situations, especially the illicit variety, can cause issues for SE. This can either be either false advertisment of the games content, something that can get them in toruble, or if the actions in questions are.....somewhat extreme, get them in a looooot of trouble. Bad (rather, unwanted) publicity.

cheating is rather meaningless in this discusion, world race doesnt matter in any official capacity. The ones that did "cheat" caused a community uproar. This caused bad, bad publicity from publications. This is not acceptable.

And the cheating that /does/ matter (pvp) does have the team look at when able, its somewhat obvious to onlookers, but you need definitive evidence to get someone.

"Shaders" like the one nvidia offers, is a alteration to your system, not the game files or working. This isnt agasinst tos, no more so than me getting a wide monitor.

[Bsrking5]

They are cheats. That's all I will say.

I agree, they all are cheats. It's intentionally not what the devs intended for their game.