I appreciate Square Enix supporting LGBT rights in FFXIV.

[Striker44]

So a malware link with an IP logger? I bet you're just itching to send death threats to me.

As much as Titan here is a troll, this is actually one of the few valid points to consider. Case in point - I'd argue Titan himself is effectively doing exactly this with some (read: many) of his posts on here, going over the top in an insincere way to influence regular, run-of-the-mill people to view the LGBT community and its supporters in a negative light. There are actually plentiful examples of far-right anti-LGBT groups pretending to be part of the community with the goal of making it look bad, as they realize public opinion in general has left bigots in the proverbial stone age.

[Hurlstone]

Meanwhile the lgbt community remained remarkably silent when it came to those harassing and sending death threats under the lgbt name.

You're coming up with excuses for it, seems like the only villain here is you.

I mean, many of us did call them out against such things. I stayed far away from that game (Because f-U JK) and the most I did was silent unfollow some streamers. We are not all the far-left communist psychos aspects of the media make us out to be (I mean I am a lefty communist, but thats beside the point!) Must we always bring out a disclaimer before we speak about the topic? Do Christians need to do the same?

You do realize that a lot of people pretending to be LGBT and spreading ridiculous hate are far right trolls?

I mean... thats kinda what you are doing mate? Using the LGBTQ+ group as a shield to provoke people here? (I will say that the site they linked is lagit and a good one for LGBTQ+ info.)

As much as Titan here is a troll, this is actually one of the few valid points to consider. Case in point - I'd argue Titan himself is effectively doing exactly this with some (read: many) of his posts on here, going over the top in an insincere way to influence regular, run-of-the-mill people to view the LGBT community and its supporters in a negative light. There are actually plentiful examples of far-right anti-LGBT groups pretending to be part of the community with the goal of making it look bad, as they realize public opinion in general has left bigots in the proverbial stone age.

Well said. LGBTQ folk can be idiots and even bigots (The about of bi-phobia I have seen in my life has mostly come from LGBTQ folk) but there are clear cases of far-right groups pretending to be part of the communities they hate to try and discredit them. Especially with trans folk at the moment.

[Sotaris]

As much as Titan here is a troll, this is actually one of the few valid points to consider.

Nah, He's just wanting to provoke people then use LGBT or something else as a shield. He's not the only person doing that on this forum.

[SXTC]

I'm sorry but this is just laughable. How many LGBTQIA+ folks are in media? The overwhelming majority of romance in media is heterosexual, cissexual romances. Your equality seems much more like erasure. LGBTIQA+ needs special treatment because we are still marginalized.

What don't you understand about the term equality?
About 10% on the planet are LGBT but you want to share the cake 50-50?
Don't you see that this would severely discriminate straight people?

Also what you don't seem to mention is that when a boss looks for people they expects them to generate income meaning they'll look at competence and only that.
They do NOT look at race, preference or whatever because then they would be discriminating and that would be against equality.

It seems to me that you are talking with 2 tongue's stating your version of LGBTQIA+ is against discrimination and your sollution is flipping the table meaning you are not really against inequality.
I've heard many gay people state they feel they are NOT being represented because they want to be treated with love and respect and here LGBTQIA+ is making it come off like its them vs the rest of the world, treating 'cis' quite hostile.

Don't have to be very smart to understand that you'll never reach equality if you preach & fight against it....

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On my discord server there is a mixture of freedom of speech & equality. I was raised Christian but even then I allow members to insult my religion since its their free will that God gave to them and its not up to me to decide what they can and can't say.
What I do however is place a border where personal disrespect, continuous disrespect and extreme disrespect is forbidden. The only way for people to live together in peace is if they get over their own ego. Good people do not get offended easily since they have a high tolerance. I have several gay friends who press the laugh emoji on gay memes. We can see the enemy in everything if we choose to do so.

I however aim for open minded wise people who stop seeing boundaries, who stop putting everyone in boxes and who try to see the positive in everything rather then the usual negative.
Its why we are friendly towards LGBT who consider us equals and leave the dumb shit behind where we are supposedly supremacists for being born straight, white or whatever.

Equality is a part of love, it is always peaceful and never vengeful.

Question is... do you believe in equality and do you want it? Cuss thats all it is... a choice & a belief based on your will power to make it so.
Sure there will always be some people on the planet that judge or take abuse... but since when is it our task to become social justice wariors? I think we both know that us poor people can never make a difference against the will of the rich "UNLESS" we consider eachother equal and not eachothers enemy. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. Divide and conquer has always been a popular tactic and I fear LGBTQIA+ may just have been infiltrated by the very same people that benefit from this.

And another sad fact is that they seem to have merged with hate groups who preach discrimination and even hate.

Feminism for example seems to have a lot of man hating woman who appear to condescend men in how they word how things should be.
BLM also seems to be home to white hating extremists (not all of them, but many) who even beat on people who came out in support having boards stating "all lives matter" which clearly states that we are all equal, but they got beat up for it by BLM members...
There also seems to be a growing tendency of treating "cisgender" as scum.

I fear they are combining power with the wrong sort of people to be heard, but it makes the wrong voice sound louder...

People will never listen to hate and intimidation... the only way to make them listen is by showing them pure love & respect. Because that is what touches all of us.

Anyhow don't get me wrong. I'm not angry at you or anything. I'm just stating that in order to reach equality... We have to go back to the basics because that is what truth is, simple. Never overthink it and always leave out your emotions when it comes down to making decisions that affect everyone, not just ourselves.

Oh and... I do appreciate the post originally thanking Square enix. They do indeed do a fine job. They can't be thanked enough! ♥

[Kolaina]

Ah, the final fantasy forums. Where I come to get my fix of real world politics
/s

[Sotaris]

Ironically, SXTC. Most of what you replied to the troll can be said about current feminism with all hatred to all men.

Ah, the final fantasy forums. Where I come to get my fix of real world politics
/s

Come on Kolaina, you're a frequent poster here. You know how twisted this forum has become

[Kolaina]

Come on Kolaina, you're a frequent poster here. You know how twisted this forum has become

It’s a bad habit I can’t quit. If it wasn’t for all the craziness it’d be so boring here. I’d have nothing to read

[SXTC]

Ah, the final fantasy forums. Where I come to get my fix of real world politics
/s

Haha my apologies if I was part of the reason why you felt that.
All I can say is that I felt already politically triggered and in those situations I feel I have to speak my mind.

I mean... who doesn't hate politics? All its about is lying to people, manipulate them into getting what you want. Thats politics in a nuttshell so anyone playing this game in my opinion is playing an evil game.

Anyhow I guess we should go back to the original topic name which confused me.

Why were they thanking Se for supporting LGBTQIA+ rights? As a straight guy I've never noticed anything straight or LGBT... all I see is them being neutral to give everyone an option. I suppose this is what they meant? That many games don't give the in between option?

[SXTC]

Ironically, SXTC. Most of what you replied to the troll can be said about current feminism with all hatred to all men.



Come on Kolaina, you're a frequent poster here. You know how twisted this forum has become

I hope you didn't misunderstand what I intended to say. Obviously I am aware that true feminism is all about equality, yet also in this situation only half of them appear to do so while the other half is too busy hating xD
Heck I'm friends with a feminist and in her version of what it stands for, I could call myself one too since I always stood up to men for how they treated woman. At some point I even got called a traitor of my own gender xD
I guess that is the "straight" person in me? I consider woman wonderfull creatures for as long as they remain positive and take care of their health. There's nothing more attractive then a woman who's proud to be one in my opinion xD

[SXTC]

You do realize that a lot of people pretending to be LGBT and spreading ridiculous hate are far right trolls?

https://www.thepinknews.com/2018/08/...iles-accepted/

Educate yourself.

Maybe you should try to follow your own advice instead of sharing left biased news sources with claims that have no proof to support it whatsoever? XD