Ranked is mega unpopular even though it offers the same rewards as Unranked

[Eisi]

just let ranked die

focusing on fun should be priority.

Those two are at odds.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Because Ranked is just Bots, win traders and cheaters.
Unranked at least if you are playing without 3rd party tools you have about a 50/50 chance of winning.
I dont cheat, win trade nor bot, unless i get good RNG on who i get matched with, i dont get past Bronze, 1 win wont boost you up a tier if you lose 5 times in a row due to having bad players on your team and no way to prevent being matched with them.
Realistically, Ranked should just be a trap where the top 100 get banned for cheating the system and using 3rd party tools lol.
Hell make that a rule for the top tier of rankings and you would be about 99% accurate on legit bans! XD

...I don't cheat either, but the implication anyone in the top ranks essentially is sounds insulting to say the least. Maybe a datacenter issue, but isn't fair to generalise this hard about it, let alone drop inflammatory comments about them because you have skill issue.

I play regularly in high Diamond or Crystal, usually against and as Top 100 contenders. I do not struggle, because quite frankly I practiced for a long time.

If you are hardstuck Bronze then the issue is you, turn your monitor on and play for improvement. Ask people for advice, record your sessions and be serious about it.

[Ransu]

It won't work considering bots and win trading still being the issue. Forcing the casual player to do rank is just going to make them leave. You not really solving the problem, but making it worse. .................it's like ppl don't really learn from their lesson. Creating a "solution" that sounds good on paper, but in practice make it worse. Let's add de-ranking guys, that's the solution........where's everyone at?

Season 1 ranked wasn't really ranked since you couldn't fall out of a tier, but at least it had some form of matchmaking. Casual mode is just a slaughter fest.

Because Ranked is just Bots, win traders and cheaters.
Unranked at least if you are playing without 3rd party tools you have about a 50/50 chance of winning.
I dont cheat, win trade nor bot, unless i get good RNG on who i get matched with, i dont get past Bronze, 1 win wont boost you up a tier if you lose 5 times in a row due to having bad players on your team and no way to prevent being matched with them.
Realistically, Ranked should just be a trap where the top 100 get banned for cheating the system and using 3rd party tools lol.
Hell make that a rule for the top tier of rankings and you would be about 99% accurate on legit bans! XD

This just screams "I don't want to get better so everyone else must be cheating." When they reset the ranks in season 3 I don't think I lost a single match working my way through bronze. Its so easy to carry those games.

[Towa-Musa]

Those two are at odds.

not really, the fact that ranked is struggling to even stay afloat at the moment ( this thread exists) means that its probably NOT FUN ENOUGH and the way things are set up right now for ranked is not doing it any justice so honestly just let it die and focus on more fun and interesting modes, like idk add a CTF mode or a siege mode where we get to use turrets n stuff... hell why not add rival wings to he duty roulette? these would all be better things to focus on.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

not really, the fact that ranked is struggling to even stay afloat at the moment ( this thread exists) means that its probably NOT FUN ENOUGH and the way things are set up right now for ranked is not doing it any justice so honestly just let it die and focus on more fun and interesting modes, like idk add a CTF mode or a siege mode where we get to use turrets n stuff... hell why not add rival wings to he duty roulette? these would all be better things to focus on.

No offense Towa - I'm getting increasingly tired having to explain this to you Ad Nauseam, which is sad given how we both recently had an episode of "hey maybe they aren't such a bell end after all".

Let's make something very f***ing clear.

Crystalline Conflict is fun enough as a gamemode and the frequency of how frequently it pops even in late times of day prove this. I can play it almost in tge dead of the night and still find matches in like 3min even on popular jobs.

The mode isn't the issue and I'm sick of this cheap excuse of it being "not fun enough". Fun is subjective, queue times and frequency are objective.

CC RANKED is fundamentally the exact same mode with the added difference that you play against people of mostly your skill tier, alts being occasional outliers.

The thing is that the higher you go the more you need to improve as a player to rise through the ranks, like in any other Ranked ladder. The issue is that there is no reason to do this even as someone who loves PvP if "playing with a closer and more competitive group" isn't enough, which for many is the case.

The effort and skill required to invest significant time spent in Ranked does not match the reward currently given out for most players to even consider giving it a shot, given the reward being Crystals (obtainable in Casual and FL) and Framer Kits which you probably just collect one set and be done with it. Especially when a stress free carbon copy exists in Casual.

It is delusional to think it is acceptable to complain about a lack of rewards everywhere else in the game when it happens, only to be a complete hypocrite and make a BIG exception for Ranked, saying it needs to die if it can't stay afloat from hopes and prayers.

Don't get me wrong - I vibe with your ideas you have like CTF etc. thise are great. But Im so tired of your insane logic that operates at the complete opposite to the rest of the game.

[Osmond]

Season 1 ranked wasn't really ranked since you couldn't fall out of a tier, but at least it had some form of matchmaking. Casual mode is just a slaughter fest.

True, that’s where the casuals were mostly at. It just transitioned overtime because ppl don’t like a de-rank all their hard work. Had no issue with gaining stars, just the rank itself, ppl nope out because randoms. Sounds selfish, yes, that’s just the way it is. If it’s 1v1, personal responsibility, then the playing field would be different.

[Osmond]

No offense Towa - I'm getting increasingly tired having to explain this to you Ad Nauseam, which is sad given how we both recently had an episode of "hey maybe they aren't such a bell end after all".

Let's make something very f***ing clear.

Crystalline Conflict is fun enough as a gamemode and the frequency of how frequently it pops even in late times of day prove this. I can play it almost in tge dead of the night and still find matches in like 3min even on popular jobs.

The mode isn't the issue and I'm sick of this cheap excuse of it being "not fun enough". Fun is subjective, queue times and frequency are objective.

CC RANKED is fundamentally the exact same mode with the added difference that you play against people of mostly your skill tier, alts being occasional outliers.

The thing is that the higher you go the more you need to improve as a player to rise through the ranks, like in any other Ranked ladder. The issue is that there is no reason to do this even as someone who loves PvP if "playing with a closer and more competitive group" isn't enough, which for many is the case.

The effort and skill required to invest significant time spent in Ranked does not match the reward currently given out for most players to even consider giving it a shot, given the reward being Crystals (obtainable in Casual and FL) and Framer Kits which you probably just collect one set and be done with it. Especially when a stress free carbon copy exists in Casual.

It is delusional to think it is acceptable to complain about a lack of rewards everywhere else in the game when it happens, only to be a complete hypocrite and make a BIG exception for Ranked, saying it needs to die if it can't stay afloat from hopes and prayers.

Don't get me wrong - I vibe with your ideas you have like CTF etc. thise are great. But Im so tired of your insane logic that operates at the complete opposite to the rest of the game.

…….don’t seem tired if making this essay…

[Towa-Musa]

No offense Towa - I'm getting increasingly tired having to explain this to you Ad Nauseam, which is sad given how we both recently had an episode of "hey maybe they aren't such a bell end after all".

Let's make something very f***ing clear.

Crystalline Conflict is fun enough as a gamemode and the frequency of how frequently it pops even in late times of day prove this. I can play it almost in tge dead of the night and still find matches in like 3min even on popular jobs.

The mode isn't the issue and I'm sick of this cheap excuse of it being "not fun enough". Fun is subjective, queue times and frequency are objective.

CC RANKED is fundamentally the exact same mode with the added difference that you play against people of mostly your skill tier, alts being occasional outliers.

The thing is that the higher you go the more you need to improve as a player to rise through the ranks, like in any other Ranked ladder. The issue is that there is no reason to do this even as someone who loves PvP if "playing with a closer and more competitive group" isn't enough, which for many is the case.

The effort and skill required to invest significant time spent in Ranked does not match the reward currently given out for most players to even consider giving it a shot, given the reward being Crystals (obtainable in Casual and FL) and Framer Kits which you probably just collect one set and be done with it. Especially when a stress free carbon copy exists in Casual.

It is delusional to think it is acceptable to complain about a lack of rewards everywhere else in the game when it happens, only to be a complete hypocrite and make a BIG exception for Ranked, saying it needs to die if it can't stay afloat from hopes and prayers.

Don't get me wrong - I vibe with your ideas you have like CTF etc. thise are great. But Im so tired of your insane logic that operates at the complete opposite to the rest of the game.

i never said the CC itself was not fun, i said ranked was not fun and you literally explained why in your post, you dullard.

since you don't understand what im trying to say to you mfs i'll break it down bit by bit.

1. since ranked modes constantly fail just get rid of it and keep causal CC open to those to who wanna play it.

2. divert the people who made the ranked stuff into making more fun modes like CTF and make frontlines share the roulette with rival wings

Its really not that hard to understand, instead of trying to make the small minority of ranked players happy, why not just focus more on appealing to the causal players that make up the majority of the game.

EDIT:

The fact that people keep complaining about not being able to que in ranked and there not being enough of a reward kinda proves my point, nobody really wants to feel like they're under pressure when they play to have fun and the fact that casual CC is literally THRIVING is the proof in the pudding.

[RajNish]

The training in the ranked is really good and the skill raises, it's true. But at some point it just gets boring. I don't care about rank, if anything, and I play for fun and adrenaline.

But I get tired of waiting for half an hour or more. Once you stop going there regularly as a job and go back to the middle of the season, when everyone has already made their rank, and you get hours of waiting... "There will be more interesting fights on platinum!" they said. On platinum I get a long wait, quit and go.

In fact, I get nothing but an improvement in my skill. If ranked is a more difficult mode, why can't I get something more interesting than a set of stupid cards and a title that I don't use? In fact, it turns out that all that ranked games give me is good training, but in PvE there are more rewards in higher difficulty.

They need to do something about matchmaking, party balance and rewards. What we have now is a "sump" with no rank, bronze, silver and gold and a very limited number of players from platinum and up. They need to either remove this mode, or attract more players there so that this field is constantly filled.

And about bots. Yes, they exist in ranked games. Yes, I saw it with my own eyes. Not all the time, but a couple of times. And it was very annoying. For me, this was not a reason to quit the game, but the impression was unpleasant. If I wanted to play against the program, I would choose another game.

However, what am I talking about here... This is another example of PvP in a PvE oriented game. Probably shouldn't expect anything better. But then the developers don't have to pretend that they are concerned about the playability of this content.

Edit: Oh yeah, I also wish they could do something about players who in ranked match just stand at the starting point, enter the field, get quickly knocked out by the first enemy they meet, and stand there again. Reports don't help.

[Towa-Musa]

The training in the ranked is really good and the skill raises, it's true. But at some point it just gets boring. I don't care about rank, if anything, and I play for fun and adrenaline.

But I get tired of waiting for half an hour or more. Once you stop going there regularly as a job and go back to the middle of the season, when everyone has already made their rank, and you get hours of waiting... "There will be more interesting fights on platinum!" they said. On platinum I get a long wait, quit and go.

In fact, I get nothing but an improvement in my skill. If ranked is a more difficult mode, why can't I get something more interesting than a set of stupid cards and a title that I don't use? In fact, it turns out that all that ranked games give me is good training, but in PvE there are more rewards in higher difficulty.

They need to do something about matchmaking, party balance and rewards. What we have now is a "sump" with no rank, bronze, silver and gold and a very limited number of players from platinum and up. They need to either remove this mode, or attract more players there so that this field is constantly filled.

And about bots. Yes, they exist in ranked games. Yes, I saw it with my own eyes. Not all the time, but a couple of times. And it was very annoying. For me, this was not a reason to quit the game, but the impression was unpleasant. If I wanted to play against the program, I would choose another game.

However, what am I talking about here... This is another example of PvP in a PvE oriented game. Probably shouldn't expect anything better. But then the developers don't have to pretend that they are concerned about the playability of this content.

Edit: Oh yeah, I also wish they could do something about players who in ranked match just stand at the starting point, enter the field, get quickly knocked out by the first enemy they meet, and stand there again. Reports don't help.

Basically this in a nutshell, well said!