Twitch streamers still blatantly cheating on stream.

[drtasteyummy]

You know what, I'll come clean. I do use "visual mods", namely Nvidia Freestyle:

https://www.nvidia.de/geforce/geforc...eestyle-games/

This offers reshade-like post-process visual effects and is officially sanctioned by SE, by virtue of Nvidia having permission to enable it on the game. For me, it's mainly the "'clarity" slider which removes a lot of the fogging.

You could argue it offers gameplay advantages as it makes visuals clearer for me. Certain visual effects that might be meant to obscure my view don't "work as well". Sorry, not sorry, it is explicitly endorsed and supported.

How does this differ from the aesthetic mods I explicitly and specifically described not caring about?

Sure, manipulating ingame models or animations with tools such as Penumbra is against the ToS as stated here:

2.6 Hacking and Circumvention. You may not hack, disassemble, decompile, or otherwise modify the Game or server computer code, whether the Game code is located on a DVD, Blu-rayTM disc, your computer/console or on Square Enix's servers, except as expressly permitted by Square Enix or applicable law.

and here

2.7 Modifying or Creating Derivative Software. You may not modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game or Service in any way not expressly authorized by Square Enix, and may not make any derivative works of the Game.

[KatiaRelanah]

Sure, manipulating ingame models or animations with tools such as Penumbra is against the ToS as stated here:

2.7 Modifying or Creating Derivative Software. You may not modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game or Service in any way not expressly authorized by Square Enix, and may not make any derivative works of the Game.

Okay, CC us the email you send to Nvidia where you tell them they can't enable Freestyle on FFXIV. I'm sure you're much more cognizant of their permission to do so than... They are, themselves.

[drtasteyummy]

Okay, CC us the email you send to Nvidia where you tell them they can't enable Freestyle on FFXIV. I'm sure you're much more cognizant of their permission to do so than... They are, themselves.

Why would I bother? It's not my job nor do I have the authority to do that, but in fact, SE could, as seen in games like Escape from Tarkov before, where the mode is disabled due to cheating. Almost ironically that you are unaware of that.

[KatiaRelanah]

Why would I bother? It's not my job nor do I have the authority to do that, but in fact, SE could, as seen in games like Escape from Tarkov before, where the mode is disabled due to cheating. Almost ironically that you are unaware of that.

Wow, a different publisher/developer with a different game with a different focus changed their mind about permission for the filters because of its effects on the inherently competitive PVP nature of the game!

Totally not apples and oranges.

Edit: Also, absolute LMAO at this... You're so adamant and aggressively anti-"cheat", but won't actually do anything about it because, I can reasonably assume,

1) you know no one actually considers aesthetic changes cheating in a 99% PVE MMORPG
2) you know that SE doesn't actually care and/or is fine with it and don't wanna send the email because it'd make you look absolutely foolish to some random staffer(s) at Nvidia and/or SE

Edit: oh, and in case you were wondering about the status of post-processing (which inerently and definitionally (POST processing) does NOT touch game data

Utilizing such a tool would not violate any agreements customers have with Square Enix, and we don't plan on doing anything to restrict users from accessing it.

However, we advise that players use this at their own risk. Square Enix does not regulate the content of the aforementioned add-on and will not be responsible for any damage or losses resulting from its use.

So I can save you the shame of sending an email complaining about something that isn't disallowed.

[drtasteyummy]

Wow, a different publisher/developer with a different game with a different focus changed their mind about permission for the filters because of its effects on the inherently competitive PVP nature of the game!

Totally not apples and oranges.

Edit: Also, absolute LMAO at this... You're so adamant and aggressively anti-"cheat", but won't actually do anything about it because, I can reasonably assume,

1) you know no one actually considers aesthetic changes cheating in a 99% PVE MMORPG
2) you know that SE doesn't actually care and/or is fine with it and don't wanna send the email because it'd make you look absolutely foolish to some random staffer(s) at Nvidia and/or SE

Edit: oh, and in case you were wondering about the status of post-processing (which inerently and definitionally (POST processing) does NOT touch game data



So I can save you the shame of sending an email complaining about something that isn't disallowed.

You were mockingly saying that I should get it banned, and I merely said that SE could have it banned for cheating if they feel like it. Whether SE acts upon plugins is not up for debate, it's obvious they can't because they let the plugin virus spread and are unable to combat it now without killing half of their community. You still seem unable to comprehend that I'm, unlike you, seeing this from an objective rather than a personal view. As of right now, plugins are indeed cheats, hack tools, mods, illegal programs, or whatever you would like to call them as stated by the ToS.

[Pratini]

/popcorn

[KatiaRelanah]

A mod would negate such skill since it now will just dump fixed tresholds at you to beat. You remove any adaptations to it, and also remove any desire for a player to exceed such treshold since its not needed (it helps at best, but why bother when you can kick the weak link instead?).

Thats why its a problem.

I didn't notice someone HAD tried to explain ACT's cheating-ness to me. Okay, so honestly, I really don't know anything about it.

I THOUGHT it was literally just a meter saying "you're doing 4647 DPS right now" or whatever, and nothing else. Obviously, it can be used to "monitor" others, which again I acknowledge can be weaponized by toxic players to DPSshame people for not "keeping up"

This response to me, though, suggests that at certain points ACT provides some sort of benchmark for passing DPS checks? Like my understanding (parsing, if you will) of this is that... Some sort of... Metric shows up where like, you have to keep the DPS above a certain value and the plugin explicitly tells you "hey, BigBossGuy is casting RaidwideWipeSpell, party must have DPS of at least 55853 collectively to pass it". Is this... How it works?

If it has such functionality, I can slightly more honestly entertain calling it cheating, though I'll reiterate what I said across my replies... I'm pretty sure when you fail the check, that means everyone just needs to.... Do their rotations more better-ly? Get better gear? Like it's pretty obvious when you wipe that you failed, you shouldn't need a DPS meter to tell you that.

I'm aware (or at least am led to understand) that savage raiders will be a bit more... Aggressive, about policing people who don't "cut it"? But like, that returns to me talking about the people being the problem. They could just as easily watch the aggression order and see that the RPR is inexplicably last in aggro under like, a BRD or something. I don't even raid and even I could tell you there's an issue there. And whether you kindly say "hey RPR, have you practiced your rotation? Are you geared up? So you have any questions? Looked like you weren't aggroed very high, which suggests your DPS might have been low?" Vs "RPR your parse was 7th percentile you're literally among the worst RPR players gtfo the party"

[KatiaRelanah]

You were mockingly saying that I should get it banned, and I merely said that SE could have it banned for cheating if they feel like it. Whether SE acts upon plugins is not up for debate, it's obvious they can't because they let the plugin virus spread and are unable to combat it now without killing half of their community. You still seem unable to comprehend that I'm, unlike you, seeing this from an objective rather than a personal view. As of right now, plugins are indeed cheats, hack tools, mods, illegal programs, or whatever you would like to call them as stated by the ToS.

They aren't (all) cheats.

It's that cut and dry.

What performative enhancement does upscaled armor textures give you? Honest answer, stay on topic, don't whatabout Cactbot or whatever. I have conceded such gameplay/mechanical modifications are cheating by definition.

But how are texture mods cheating? By your very narrow (lol ironic af) definition of "not officially made by SE? It's a cheat!", you would consider them cheats. So how are they cheats?

What gameplay advantage does shinier visual armor give you?

How does it affect raids that you can see "nicks" on an armor texture?

How does Viera having hats give a WF Savage party their clear?

[Kuroka]

The game has been developed, designed, tested and played exhaustively, the devs have stated unequivocally that they are in fact NOT needed, in fact the game can be, and has been, played and beaten without them.

You can beat ultimate with a totally vanilla client, if you cant, thats a YOU issue. A lot of players have in fact become SO dependent on them that they literally CANT play without them, but thats not a game design problem.

Thats their problem.

The game doesnt need meters. You may need them, thats another issue entirely.

Its the ppl wanting faster clears... yes ofc its a world first but by any means they wanna speed up the process and the idea to need more then 1-2 weeks seems to scare too many of em.

You clearly see when certain ppl are forced to play without any addon and suddenly the tripple legend doesnt even manage a story trial or dungeon...

Do other players get that audio notification? No? Then its cheating because it gives you an advantage they dont have.

I recall back then... it was the release of sophia Ex when a friend invited me to his stream when his static did the fight, he used japanese triggers for her attacks - before that i thought is was my skill issue for having a harder time, but no he just had a constant guide right away... really fair play...

What performative enhancement does upscaled armor textures give you? Honest answer, stay on topic, don't whatabout Cactbot or whatever. I have conceded such gameplay/mechanical modifications are cheating by definition.

But how are texture mods cheating? By your very narrow (lol ironic af) definition of "not officially made by SE? It's a cheat!", you would consider them cheats. So how are they cheats?

What gameplay advantage does shinier visual armor give you?

How does it affect raids that you can see "nicks" on an armor texture?

How does Viera having hats give a WF Savage party their clear?

So are you using and modded client for that? Dont need to answer but if the answer is yes, then its not allowed and while you might only "pretty up" the game, the need for suck hacked clients opens the doors for more, if like clicks behind the pretty special aura horns is a tempting gameplay mod, many would give in.

Texture mods? Well if you pretty up your bookshelf or things like that, not much. If you change stuff to better see mobs, enemy in pvp, mechanics... everything? Modding outfits so you dont have to buy from mogstation? or dye raid/un-augmented tome gear? or gear that copyrighted? Or (and im really the last to complain about naughty stuff) just stuff thats 18+ or fetish stuff? You see no problems with that when we cant even a smoke emote? lol

Ill give you the Viera hats though, thats just lazyness on their part for not adjusting the top 10-20 used hats or literally just clip 50% with the ears... >_>

[Renalt]

Oh this argument again. Neat. Wonder if people will somehow come to an understanding or middle ground? No? It'll end in the same place as it started? Oh.