Scholar is a horribly designed job and shows zero thought goes into healer design

[Katish]

I will admit when I am wrong, and I will admit my conclusion might be wrong hence why I didn't use definitive language, but it's just what I think given how you phrase things. Being wrong is human nature and for you to assume this as a deflection is in of itself wrong, I was helping you make a more believable statement as I've read through the forum and you seem to post in this way more often than naught. I have not called out anyone
else for it that uses said language cause in said usage it is not a pattern and is usually subconscious. Or the premise defines the means and leads to a conclusion. This is not an attac on you just the phrasing, it's just stating I've noticed fallacy. When I said I didn't have evidence on lore right away that does not equate to a red herring, a red herring is when you give illogical information to stir away from the subject matter (unless you mean me calling out fallacy is a red herring, I assure you it's not giving this isn't the only subject I'm commenting on you from and this is a forum so chaos is more often prevelant than not). And as the lore portion, I could very well be wrong but it was a case of me misrembering as mentioned I remembered it was subtly brought up. But regardless, she has white mage skills which is synergized with other class skills which was my initial argument..

I respect you for giving your honest thoughts and you're welcome to point out my own fallacies should they exist.

And saying I believe the earth is round isn't a fallacy because it's not what the people believe but the evidence that supports that the earth is round. A fact must be true, and a sound argument must have all true premises. I also meant could and not would on my previous comment it's hard to type on my phone so it's hard to recheck this stuff. Lel

Edit: realized I used definitive language without meaning to be definitive.

[Renathras]

I have not called out anyone else for it that uses said language cause in said usage it is not a pattern and is usually subconscious.

Can you actually substantiate this claim? Either that other people here using it are NOT engaging in a pattern (even though they clearly are) and ARE only using it subconsciously?

Additionally, can you substantiate that mine is NOT subconscious?
Can you substantiate that my use IS part of a pattern?

And note what a bandwagon fallacy is and is not - as I noted, my use is not a bandwagon fallacy, and thus you aren't noticing a fallacy as I'm not using it.

As to the red herring, I meant instead of saying "Fair, I have no proof that Yuna is referred to explicitly as a White Mage. I withdraw the claim.", you used the attack in lieu of making that statement, instead replacing it with a nebulous statement amounting to "Well, I THINK it was said, though I can't prove it or think of where or when in the game it was used specifically so that you might be able to validate the claim independently". And as noted, you weren't calling out a fallacy, as I wasn't using the bandwagon fallacy.

As to "I remembered it was subtly brought up"; your claim was not that it was subtle. "in lore she is addressed as a WHITE MAGE no assumptions needed", the "no assumptions needed" would mean it is explicit, not subtle. If it was subtle, then some assumptions MIGHT be needed.

And I didn't say the Earth being round was the fact. I said that people believe it is a fact. In the specific case of Jobs and what people like and dislike about them - since this is a game and not (probably) immutable laws of physics, they are subject to change (or not) based on preference of people. Meaning people believing or not believing a thing is pertinent to such discussions, as would be anything where one takes a vote (in effect, we can vote with our wallets, so again relevant). Noting that some people voted for John Kerry in 2004 isn't suggesting anything other than a fact. Noting that the minority party tends to get at least 47% of the vote in a given national election in the US and so the majority party shouldn't run roughshod over the minority's wishes either is also a statement of fact (the first part) that is pertinent to the outcome or what the result should be (the second part).

Stating that some people like SCH being complex and some people do not is a statement of fact. There are, in fact, some people that do like it and some people that do not like it.

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That all said;

Yes, Humans make mistakes, and I'm not one to hammer people over the head with them like a cudgel if they're honest mistakes and people aren't doubling down on them or the like.

I also agree she has White Mage as a sub-job, in the same sense a FFTactics White Mage can have Summoner as a subjob; but neither is a case of what a White Mage as a stand alone Job/class is.