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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Then using one of those IS cheating. If this addon is doing more than numbers, i.e calling out mechanics etc, its playing the game for you and thats cheating.
    Base version doesn't do call outs. The base version just reads the battle log and does the math calculations for you. I mean the never used cause the devs don't want it to be for anything but current fights duty recorder also could show you what mechanic you screwed up on just without showing you how much said mechanic hit you for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    Expecting a mentor to know the mechanics of every singular duty contained within said roulette, most especially when this includes extreme content, is just simply not pragmatic, this is why the mentor system isn't really feasible in the first place.

    Sure, you'll encourage improvement of performance, but this also isn't really pragmatic in a roulette of this scope.
    Expecting a mentor to know what mechanics look like (A stack marker, a spread marker, an exaflare marker).

    yes, i do expect somebody with over 1500+ commendations to know the basic mechanics of the game.

    Every single mechanic in this game is repeated, you know need to know around 10 mechanics to know what is going on.
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  3. #73
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    Expecting a mentor to know what mechanics look like (A stack marker, a spread marker, an exaflare marker).
    Id agree with this

    yes, i do expect somebody with over 1500+ commendations to know the basic mechanics of the game.
    Okay..then again I know do re mi fa so la ti do..but I cant use those to write a symphony.

    Every single mechanic in this game is repeated, you know need to know around 10 mechanics to know what is going on
    Except the combos and each encounter is different. The encounters are not identical.
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    Last edited by VelKallor; 03-31-2023 at 03:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Then using one of those IS cheating. If this addon is doing more than numbers, i.e calling out mechanics etc, its playing the game for you and thats cheating.
    Parsers don't call out mechanics or offer suggestions on what to do during a fight. The most a parser will do during the fight is display real time numbers for DPS, HPS, damage taken and the like. But they also copy the battle log and compile information that can be uploaded to an analyzing tool for review after a fight is completed (whether wipe or kill) to see who was getting hit by avoidable damage, etc.

    It's the other plug-ins that some players use that do the mechanic call outs.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 03-31-2023 at 03:51 PM.

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    Parsers don't call out mechanics or offer suggestions on what to do during a fight. The most a parser will do during the fight is display real time numbers for DPS, HPS, damage taken and the like. But they also copy the battle log and compile information that can be uploaded to an analyzing tool for review after a fight is completed (whether wipe or kill) to see who was getting hit by avoidable damage, etc.

    It's the other plug-ins that some players use that do the mechanic call outs.
    Doesnt matter. Its third party, its illegal to use, plugins or not. Its cheating. Why is it cheating? it gives an unfair advantage to those who dont use it.
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  6. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Doesnt matter. Its third party, its illegal to use, plugins or not. Its cheating. Why is it cheating? it gives an unfair advantage to those who dont use it.
    A do agree that it is cheating.

    Amongst every person i've played with, i can easily say more than 80-90% of them use plugins/mods/parsers.

    It is something devs do not want, but they cannot stop it, because they will lose the majority of the playerbase the moment they do something about it. majority of those being Roleplayers.
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  7. #77
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    Battlelog data exists and can be copied out of the game. ACT just automates it. The lack of a program (or excel macro) you can just copy&paste huge parts of the battlelog into is not because it's impossible but because using ACT is just more convenient. There is no unfair advantage happening here, seeing dps live doesnt actually help all that much tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Oh look it's another thread about Mentor Crown again. Everytime these pop up the general consensus is that mentors should know every mechanic, every duty boss, mastered every job and cleared all savage and ultimate fights. Because you know mentors are robots, not actual human beings trying to help out when they are able to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Battlelog data exists and can be copied out of the game. ACT just automates it. The lack of a program (or excel macro) you can just copy&paste huge parts of the battlelog into is not because it's impossible but because using ACT is just more convenient. There is no unfair advantage happening here, seeing dps live doesnt actually help all that much tbh.
    Yet it has plugins that DO cheat and DO call out mechanics, and others who dont use that third party addon dont see those...so it is still an unfair advantage.

    Saraide: sorry I wont budge on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Yet it has plugins that DO cheat and DO call out mechanics, and others who dont use that third party addon dont see those...so it is still an unfair advantage.

    Saraide: sorry I wont budge on this.
    okay who asked you to budge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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