Please stop putting the Crystalline Conflict Glamour Coffer at Rank 25

[EliaStormblade]

Nope, that removes the point of doing it when its current content, also its very easy to get both trophies and also wolf marks, so it just renders the original grind useless.

Leave PVP alone if you dont like it, and let those that like it enjoy it. If you want the glam, you grind it when current, the seasons are very long, if you dont want it, or you dont want to do the grind, then you will miss out, too bad.

We'll just agree to disagree, then. FOMO is shit and if pretending to be special for grinding out a glam in arbitrary swath of time is your only reason for doing a certain content, that should be your problem, not anyone else's. Shrug, what can you do?

[CerusSerenade]

Me personally, the low-end effort of farming pvp wolf marks for a prestige glam (Im saying this loosely considering the designs for Ultimate weapons being...not that good imo lol) compared to the effort of getting a good group together, learn and coordinate to do the hardest battle content in this game is NOT the same level of work and effort here. Im not gonna ultimately care anyway for them; if they like...make a different recolor or look based off of those ultimate weapons then thats totally fine for me, but putting the actual same reward into a content system thats brain dead easy to obtain is kinda slapping the face of all those players whom worked very hard to get those weapons. Again just to reiterate, Im pretty sure not many hardcore raiders care for the actual weapons but it is a tangible achievement reward to let other players know that they've completed that hard content.

So thats how I see it honestly, I prefer having rewards that incentivize me to do that content for it rather than the game having to adapt to my wants.

Okay... what does this have to do with what I'm saying? I didn't argue about anything related to ultimate weapons. If your argument is "Because PVP is much easier compared to organized PVE, therefore the time limit is justified to get the rewards." then my counterpoint would be "should relics be time-limited as well?" and the answer of course is no and that argument doesn't hold up.

As I've had to repeatedly restate for the people here. I don't mind that the rewards take time and effort to obtain, I welcome that. My contention is that unlike nearly everything else in the game, they are time limited and afterwards gone forever. What time you do or accomplish something should have no bearing on the fact that you put in the effort itself.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Okay... what does this have to do with what I'm saying? I didn't argue about anything related to ultimate weapons. If your argument is "Because PVP is much easier compared to organized PVE, therefore the time limit is justified to get the rewards." then my counterpoint would be "should relics be time-limited as well?" and the answer of course is no and that argument doesn't hold up.

As I've had to repeatedly restate for the people here. I don't mind that the rewards take time and effort to obtain, I welcome that. My contention is that unlike nearly everything else in the game, they are time limited and afterwards gone forever. What time you do or accomplish something should have no bearing on the fact that you put in the effort itself.

ah no my bad, I actually wasnt paying attention to what you were debating about. I thought we were talking about putting ultimate weapon glams obtainable in pvp.

[QiyoJoyo]

1. Then you admit that there's no real reason to take pride in anything except that you put time into a game mode you have little to no control over the result of. Thank you.

2. No, you can't. Your attempt at saying you "technically' can by queuing up at the same time doesn't change that you straight up can't and are more likely going to be wait for one or the other to exit their game for several minutes each time attempting to do so, and as you said, you will most likely be on opposing sides, and this ONLY has a SLIGHT chance of working on low pop data-centers. Barely even worth mentioning.

To use your own words:

1. Why did you not answer my point? You do not care for ranked so you could lose 10000 games and would still get the glam.

2. It worked like a charm for me, we sit in vc, join at the same time and got into the same match, but often in diffrent teams. Because my friend and i LIKE PVP we had fun playing in the same and opposit teams. You clearly only care for the glam.

3. My argument is, you have the SAME time as anyone for lvl 25 to get the glam. Even if you win ALL matches till lvl 25 you only be a little bit faster then every other player. You dont critic the mechanics, or give a example what SE could do to make pvp better you only say: "I want the glam, which all other player had to work for, because i dont like playing pvp."

4. ....you got burned out, becaus of a game, that you play as a hobby? Everything okey? You know the glam is not worth the stress. You dont get one real satisfaction from it, if you have it or not. You will not die. Please dont play if it causes you so much stess.

5. Its entiteld to demand something your not entitelt for. You dont play pvp because you like it. You play it becaus you want the glam. If you dont put enough effort in it, you will not get it. Simple as that. I would like the ultima weapons but i have not the time to raid to this extend, or the time for grinding gear and consumebals. So i dont get the ultima-weapons and i dont get the bragging rigths.

The cap are 20.000 Wolf Marks. I get them after 3h over 3 days. So yeah, getting 100.000 Wolfmarks is no effort because you get them thrown at you like no other currencie.

And can you please mind your language? I'm civil and treat you with respect, so pleas return the favor.

[EliaStormblade]

You can't compare this to Ultimate weapons because those are always obtainable.

As these glams should be. (with enough effort)

[QiyoJoyo]

Why should they be obtainable after a season?

There are other items that are no longer obtainable in game. Thats why they are worth something. Why people work to get them. If the glam would be nothing then a cheap reward thrown at you for wolfmarks or real money, everybody that worked for them would feel betrayed.

If you want them so much, work for them. Or atleast give people that dont grinded for them a version that not dyeable.

[EliaStormblade]

Why should they be obtainable after a season?

There are other items that are no longer obtainable in game. Thats why they are worth something. Why people work to get them. If the glam would be nothing then a cheap reward thrown at you for wolfmarks or real money, everybody that worked for them would feel betrayed.

If you want them so much, work for them. Or atleast give people that dont grinded for them a version that not dyeable.

If you derive value from having something others don't (for no other reason than arbitrary timelocking) then I don't think it's in any developer's best interest to humor or validate you.

There is no 'working for it'. Malmstone rewards don't fundamentally change in difficulty. It's still the same farm and still the same % of winning/losing, if it's 6.1 or 6.5. At best, some jobs might perform slightly better or less than before, but the difference is minuscule and not worth taking into account.

If someone got the Archfiend attire, they didn't necessarily put in more work than someone who got the False Monarchy attire, or someone who gets the next Malmstone glam coffer. There is no distinguishing factor, so there is literally no reason to make it FOMO.

[CerusSerenade]

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And can you please mind your language? I'm civil and treat you with respect, so pleas return the favor.

1. I did, but allow me to be clear. You cannot take personal pride in winning a game you had no control over from the start because as you said, whether you win or lose is up to luck.

2. Cool, doesn't change that people asked for premade groups and were told no.

3. Your attempt at a strawman is pathetic given my post DIRECTLY above yours contradicts this. For... fourth time now-

I have no problem with rewards taking time and effort to acquire, my problem is with the fact that you have to spend several days grinding PVP or miss out on it forever.

4. I got burned out because the game coerces players to play a very specific game mode repeatedly in order to get rewards that will otherwise be lost to me forever if I don't. I don't mind PVP here and there, being told I have to play a lot of it in a relatively short amount of time is exhausting and unpleasant.

5. How many times do I have to-

I don't mind playing a certain amount of PVP to get the rewards from it, I don't like being held at gunpoint to do it within a short time-frame on threat of losing access to it forever.

Allow me to word this differently for you:

Do you consider playing 100 PVP games over a year, and 100 pvp games over a month to have the same amount of effort put in by the player?

As for my language, no you are not being civil, you are accusing me of being entitled on baseless assertions and fallacious claims which I have REPEATEDLY rebutted and you have chosen to ignore. If being told to "screw off" in response to that is offensive to you, perhaps don't be so asinine in your recollection and assumptions of my argument.

[Stormpeaks]

I have no problem with rewards taking time and effort to acquire, my problem is with the fact that you have to spend several days grinding PVP or miss out on it forever.

Oh no, that's the end of the world, having to do PVP for a few days to get a glam, the drama !

I don't mind playing a certain amount of PVP to get the rewards from it, I don't like being held at gunpoint to do it within a short time-frame on threat of losing access to it forever.

Yeah you are not being held at gunpoint, you seem to have bigger issues than this game if this is how you feel.

4. I got burned out because the game coerces players to play a very specific game mode repeatedly in order to get rewards that will otherwise be lost to me forever if I don't. I don't mind PVP here and there, being told I have to play a lot of it in a relatively short amount of time is exhausting and unpleasant.

Relatively short amount of time ? You have an entire season.

[QiyoJoyo]

Competition is something people like. Having something unique like a title or set that not everybody gets is a commen reward in mmos.

In WoW there are Mounts you only get if you rank in the current season to a certaint place and when the season is gone, you have no other way to achive that mount.

But nice that you implie that i'm a bad person because i take a little bit of pride when i achive something not everybody gets.