Please stop putting the Crystalline Conflict Glamour Coffer at Rank 25

[CerusSerenade]

Your opinion on this is quite a lot more severe than mine, but I do agree with the sentiment that "If you need to lure people into a system with FOMO, then you've failed at developing a system that can stand on its own merits."

I don't mind the malmstone system. Incentives aren't to do content aren't bad on principle, but making them hard-vault locked after an arbitrary amount of time and just torn out of the game for any and all people to get after that is weak and a crutch. So if they intend the bring the rewards back later, then I'm fine with it. At least on the rewards basis.

The thing is unlike with say, an ARR relic, or completing a series of tribal quests, there's no sense of accomplishment, that my dedication left me with a sense of satisfaction. It leaves me with a sense of "good, now I can just not play the game now that I'm done" which is a REALLY bad thing.

It's actually causing burnout and I hate it. I wanted to do more Orthos, I wanted to try some extremes.

NOPE! PVP IS ON A FOMO PASS, FINISH THAT FIRST OR YOU MISS OUT!

I played consistently through ShB and early EW, but this is just... exhausting in the worst ways.

Can somebody tell my why we are mad?

Because the glam is gone after one season or because the glam is on lvl 25?

I'd say it's the former. Something taking time and dedication to get is fine. Making it time-limited is what makes it feel genuinely awful.

That and that PVP will just never feel good on FFXIV.

[Stormpeaks]

The thing is unlike with say, an ARR relic, or completing a series of tribal quests, there's no sense of accomplishment, that my dedication left me with a sense of satisfaction. It leaves me with a sense of "good, now I can just not play the game now that I'm done" which is a REALLY bad thing.

It's actually causing burnout and I hate it. I wanted to do more Orthos, I wanted to try some extremes.

NOPE! PVP IS ON A FOMO PASS, FINISH THAT FIRST OR YOU MISS OUT!

I played consistently through ShB and early EW, but this is just... exhausting in the worst ways.

If you cant do a few games from time to time to get the reward which is the glam, perhaps you dont need it.

Especially now that CC exists, you have a choice between frontlines and crystalline conflict, up to you, if you dont like both of them, then you dont get the glam.

That and that PVP will just never feel good on FFXIV.

Then dont do it, you arent forced to.

[CerusSerenade]

If you cant do a few games from time to time to get the reward which is the glam, perhaps you dont need it.

Especially now that CC exists, you have a choice between frontlines and crystalline conflict, up to you, if you dont like both of them, then you dont get the glam.

Thoughtless drivel that doesn't actually address the core elements of my argument. Please re-read my posts and respond to what I said, rather than the made up argument you thought I said.

[QiyoJoyo]

I'd say it's the former. Something taking time and dedication to get is fine. Making it time-limited is what makes it feel genuinely awful.

That and that PVP will just never feel good on FFXIV.

A Season last a real long time to be honest and reaching lvl 25 is not that hard....its only my opinion but i like playing cc like a mad man and farming for a set that shows the effort. If you can buy it easy on the mogglestation after a few months it would rob ME of my experince and my pride to got it!

[CerusSerenade]

A Season last a real long time to be honest and reaching lvl 25 is not that hard....its only my opinion but i like playing cc like a mad man and farming for a set that shows the effort. If you can buy it easy on the mogglestation after a few months it would rob ME of my experince and my pride to got it!

What pride? CC is a roulette of how well your teammates play compared to your opponents. Even if you play exceptionally well, which I'm sure you do, you CANNOT win a game by yourself. Considering there is NO WAY to play CC with your friends or a premade group, you have little to no control to how your games go, only your personal performance which is not weighed in your rewards or recognition.

That aside, it's not even the issue. I'm actually at series 19 right now. I could easily do one rank every 2-3 days and probably easily make it to 25 well before 6.4 drops. That's not the problem. I feel burnt out. I had already wanted to take more of a break from FFXIV, but the PVP has forced me to "play a bit here and there" despite not wanting to because I want the rewards from it.

I wouldn't care if it costed 100,000 wolf marks, or required a set number of games like it already does, but that I have to do it on the game's time, not mine, is frustrating. NOTHING else in the game requires THIS much time investment in a limited time frame, and it's all because they know PVP will die without it, so there is their solution.

I would rather see PVP go than keep having to do this, at this rate it may be the reason I leave the game more frequently or even permanently.

Hence why I'm in favor of (which they've hinted) bringing old rewards back later in some way. Not sure how, but I assume for Crystal Trophies.

They can easily tie a huge Crystal Trophy amount to the Archfiend attire. Maybe capped or near-capped. That way you still need to do PvP for it, but it's not "hahaha you didn't do it this season go kick rocks"

This would INSTANTLY make me feel better about it. If they just brought it back later as something to spend crystal trophies on I would shut up and just not play PVP except for when I felt like it.

But it hasn't happened yet and we're 3 seasons in.

[QiyoJoyo]

What pride? CC is a roulette of how well your teammates play compared to your opponents. Even if you play exceptionally well, which I'm sure you do, you CANNOT win a game by yourself. Considering there is NO WAY to play CC with your friends or a premade group, you have little to no control to how your games go, only your personal performance which is not weighed in your rewards or recognition.

That aside, it's not even the issue. I'm actually at series 19 right now. I could easily do one rank every 2-3 days and probably easily make it to 25 well before 6.4 drops. That's not the problem. I feel burnt out. I had already wanted to take more of a break from FFXIV, but the PVP has forced me to "play a bit here and there" despite not wanting to because I want the rewards from it.

I wouldn't care if it costed 100,000 wolf marks, or required a set number of games like it already does, but that I have to do it on the game's time, not mine, is frustrating. NOTHING else in the game requires THIS much time investment in a limited time frame, and it's all because they know PVP will die without it, so there is their solution.

I would rather see PVP go than keep having to do this, at this rate it may be the reason I leave the game more frequently or even permanently.



This would INSTANTLY make me feel better about it. If they just brought it back later as something to spend crystal trophies on I would shut up and just not play PVP except for when I felt like it.

But it hasn't happened yet and we're 3 seasons in.

1. PvP is and was always a team effort, only if you play 1v1 you alone can blame your lose. Thats why i find it funny, because even with randoms and the few things SE gave me to communicat, we scored a win and even if its by pure luck.. well then i'm a lucky little lalafell! After i read your answer, it sounds like you only play for the glam, so you dont even play ranked game, so why is a lose that bad?

2. You CAN play with your friends. Kinda atleast. Most of the times you end in the enemy team but even that CAN be fun, atleast if you troll your mate by targeting him as dragoon But yea, the thing that you cannot form teams sucks a little bit.

3. If you dont want to play, then dont play. I have the mog and its not THAT great. Only you are forcing yourself to play, not FFIV

4. Like i said, a Season lasts long. You could play every day one or two matches and should reach lvl 25 if ya start at beginn of the season.. i think. Can somebody do the math? I suck at math.

5. For me its really.... a entiteld position to say you WANT that everybody can get the set, even after the season because you fear to lose out at something. I invest the time and sweat for the glam and you will get it for little to non effort a few month later? Thats not really fair for me, or is it?

6. On the Note of Nr 5: If they make the pvp glam availebal at a later date for little to non effort. I petition that ultima-weapons will be mogglestation items after a year. So i dont have to get good at raiding.

[Stormpeaks]

1. PvP is and was always a team effort, only if you play 1v1 you alone can blame your lose. Thats why i find it funny, because even with randoms and the few things SE gave me to communicat, we scored a win and even if its by pure luck.. well then i'm a lucky little lalafell! After i read your answer, it sounds like you only play for the glam, so you dont even play ranked game, so why is a lose that bad?

2. You CAN play with your friends. Kinda atleast. Most of the times you end in the enemy team but even that CAN be fun, atleast if you troll your mate by targeting him as dragoon But yea, the thing that you cannot form teams sucks a little bit.

3. If you dont want to play, then dont play. I have the mog and its not THAT great. Only you are forcing yourself to play, not FFIV

4. Like i said, a Season lasts long. You could play every day one or two matches and should reach lvl 25 if ya start at beginn of the season.. i think. Can somebody do the math? I suck at math.

5. For me its really.... a entiteld position to say you WANT that everybody can get the set, even after the season because you fear to lose out at something. I invest the time and sweat for the glam and you will get it for little to non effort a few month later? Thats not really fair for me, or is it?

6. On the Note of Nr 5: If they make the pvp glam availebal at a later date for little to non effort. I petition that ultima-weapons will be mogglestation items after a year. So i dont have to get good at raiding.

I agree with that, I'm okay with this as long as I can get ultimate weapons with tomestones of causality or astronomy, I dont want to do the content, I dont like it, but I want the weapon.

[CerusSerenade]

1. PvP is and was always a team effort, only if you play 1v1 you alone can blame your lose. Thats why i find it funny, because even with randoms and the few things SE gave me to communicat, we scored a win and even if its by pure luck.. well then i'm a lucky little lalafell! After i read your answer, it sounds like you only play for the glam, so you dont even play ranked game, so why is a lose that bad?

2. You CAN play with your friends. Kinda atleast. Most of the times you end in the enemy team but even that CAN be fun, atleast if you troll your mate by targeting him as dragoon But yea, the thing that you cannot form teams sucks a little bit.

3. If you dont want to play, then dont play. I have the mog and its not THAT great. Only you are forcing yourself to play, not FFIV

4. Like i said, a Season lasts long. You could play every day one or two matches and should reach lvl 25 if ya start at beginn of the season.. i think. Can somebody do the math? I suck at math.

5. For me its really.... a entiteld position to say you WANT that everybody can get the set, even after the season because you fear to lose out at something. I invest the time and sweat for the glam and you will get it for little to non effort a few month later? Thats not really fair for me, or is it?

1. Then you admit that there's no real reason to take pride in anything except that you put time into a game mode you have little to no control over the result of. Thank you.

2. No, you can't. Your attempt at saying you "technically' can by queuing up at the same time doesn't change that you straight up can't and are more likely going to be wait for one or the other to exit their game for several minutes each time attempting to do so, and as you said, you will most likely be on opposing sides, and this ONLY has a SLIGHT chance of working on low pop data-centers. Barely even worth mentioning.

[Stormpeaks]

1. Then you admit that there's no real reason to take pride in anything except that you put time into a game mode you have little to no control over the result of. Thank you.

2. No, you can't. Your attempt at saying you "technically' can by queuing up at the same time doesn't change that you straight up can't and are more likely going to be wait for one or the other to exit their game for several minutes each time attempting to do so, and as you said, you will most likely be on opposing sides, and this ONLY has a SLIGHT chance of working on low pop data-centers. Barely even worth mentioning.

You still put time into it, and you work for it, through the countless hours to get it done, and you get rewarded with the glam, sounds good to me.

Also you can easily queue up with friends, there are times you'll be put agaisnt them, sure, but most of the time you'll end up on the same time, I do this with casual games when I feel like playing with a friend or two and it works 99% of the time.

3. This is a non-argument of the same caliber of "if you don't like your job, just quit!" and is incredibly shallow in thought. The argument I'm giving assumes you want people to play your game and enjoy it. The proper response is "ok, let's see how we can make this better and enjoyable" not "You don't like what we're doing? Well then just quit and play something else!" This is what led to Blizzard collapsing. So sure, I can quit, but SE losing money should not be their end goal when they can easily make this less bitter for everyone who shares my contentions with the current FOMO pass.

Or just dont do the PVP ? Since you dont like it, easy fix.

4. and like I said, as someone who has been playing intermittently along the length of the season as you suggested, I'm still burnt out because it's looming in the back of my mind, it's exhausting and it carries through from patch to patch. It genuinely causes me stress to know another patch is coming out because not only is a deadline, it elicits the "great, I have to do PVP again" reaction for when it drops.

This is literally a you problem.

5. If you are willing to put in the work, but just want to do it at your own pace, how is that entitled? Are people who take months to complete an ARR or HW relic entitled? Are players who go at their own pace at LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS GAME entitled when they still put in the work?

You have an entire season to get the glam, you can do it at your own pace.

Do you think playing enough PVP to say, rack up 100,000 Wolf Marks is REALLY "non-effort" as you claim it is? How do you figure that? From the sound of it, EFFORT doesn't actually matter to you, only the time in which it is done. If that's the case, kindly screw off with YOUR entitled position.

You do the content when its current, you get the glam, if you dont, you dont get the glam, very simple.

[CerusSerenade]

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Given the entirety of your "answers" to my deconstruction of an argument have been just restating the original argument with inflammatory remarks rather than offering anything substantial, and this is the second time you have done nothing but mutter banal ramblings, I have concluded you are not someone to be conversed with. Have a nice life, stay in school.