Mordion Gaol is a bad system

[Zomkei]

It is easy to answer you on that, YOU really need to cross the line to get there, it would be naive to think he is not there for a reason, and he said it himself for bad language/words/swearing/demeaning or whatever thing that could sort under that, so yes it is a system that works.

while i don't know damian's (very old) experience, i can assure you this isn't true. you're naïve if you think the system is flawless. back during HW, i was thrown in gaol for selling content for real money. that's what i was accused of. at the time, they told you exactly what you did (and i think it should still be that way), so i knew what put me there. the reason they accused me of selling content for real money was because i had a raise macro that joked about the (at the time) constant gil sellers sending tells. my macro pretty much said this: "selling raises, 18.99, fast and secure transfers. google [raised person name here]." they pulled me into gaol, claimed i was selling content for real money, showed the literal macro with the person i raised still in it, and STILL said i sold content for real money. how is that flawless? i can't even clear the content on my own for myself let alone for actual money lol.

though, i didn't find it traumatizing or anything, it was such a bizarre experience that they ripped me not even 5 minutes after the normal alexander raid while the same RMT shouter in limsa remained there for over a week and the PFs selling savages remained up as well lol

[Ravenblade1979]

while i don't know damian's (very old) experience, i can assure you this isn't true. you're naïve if you think the system is flawless. back during HW, i was thrown in gaol for selling content for real money. that's what i was accused of. at the time, they told you exactly what you did (and i think it should still be that way), so i knew what put me there. the reason they accused me of selling content for real money was because i had a raise macro that joked about the (at the time) constant gil sellers sending tells. my macro pretty much said this: "selling raises, 18.99, fast and secure transfers. google [raised person name here]." they pulled me into gaol, claimed i was selling content for real money, showed the literal macro with the person i raised still in it, and STILL said i sold content for real money. how is that flawless? i can't even clear the content on my own for myself let alone for actual money lol.

though, i didn't find it traumatizing or anything, it was such a bizarre experience that they ripped me not even 5 minutes after the normal alexander raid while the same RMT shouter in limsa remained there for over a week and the PFs selling savages remained up as well lol

I mean you had that coming lol. that macro is what did you in. the wording pretty much yells "i rmt sell content clears". joke or not you did yourself in lol.

[Zomkei]

I mean you had that coming lol. that macro is what did you in. the wording pretty much yells "i rmt sell content clears". joke or not you did yourself in lol.

man if i could actually sell raises mid combat that'd be pretty impressive, ngl. im not angry i got sent to gaol, tho i don't think just bc i have a raise macro that said selling raises (again, mid combat and in normal content) warranted me getting sent to GM gaol, while a real person read the macro and even reposted it to me still claiming i sold content for real money. but if you can't tell the difference, not point in this discussion i guess lol

[Ravenblade1979]

man if i could actually sell raises mid combat that'd be pretty impressive, ngl. im not angry i got sent to gaol, tho i don't think just bc i have a raise macro that said selling raises (again, mid combat and in normal content) warranted me getting sent to GM gaol, while a real person read the macro and even reposted it to me still claiming i sold content for real money. but if you can't tell the difference, not point in this discussion i guess lol

i don't think its you that can tell the difference. you see it as a joke. the person who obviously reported you didn't see it as a joke and even the gm's took it as you are selling content. despite it saying what it does and you seeing it as humor. it doesn't cover up the fact someone reported you for it and the gm's seen it as rmt content selling. like dude get a clue that you just shouldn't have made that macro in the first place. then gaol wouldn't have happened lol. like your attitude is up there with "its just a joke, i don't get why they took it seriously"

[Zomkei]

i don't think its you that can tell the difference. you see it as a joke. the person who obviously reported you didn't see it as a joke and even the gm's took it as you are selling content. despite it saying what it does and you seeing it as humor. it doesn't cover up the fact someone reported you for it and the gm's seen it as rmt content selling. like dude get a clue that you just shouldn't have made that macro in the first place. then gaol wouldn't have happened lol. like your attitude is up there with "its just a joke, i don't get why they took it seriously"

no. i most definitely can tell the difference, and know for a fact that i cannot actually sell raises mid combat while actually raising said person without charging them. i honestly don't care i got sent to gaol, i was just making a statement that their system is flawed. the strike on my account was years ago and is no longer there.

but let's say it isn't. you're so determined to say that its RMT, and that the GMs took it as RMT and didn't just misread it and when faced with the fact that they did, they were embarrassed so they went ahead and gave me a strike. why did the legitimate RMT seller in limsa remained despite being reported ? why did all those actual RMT sellers (and still are matter of fact) in PF at the time of me getting that strike still there - not just for a week, but for YEARS. same people, same name. so tell me again how this system isn't flawed?

[Ravenblade1979]

no. i most definitely can tell the difference, and know for a fact that i cannot actually sell raises mid combat while actually raising said person without charging them. i honestly don't care i got sent to gaol, i was just making a statement that their system is flawed. the strike on my account was years ago and is no longer there.

but let's say it isn't. you're so determined to say that its RMT, and that the GMs took it as RMT and didn't just misread it and when faced with the fact that they did, they were embarrassed so they went ahead and gave me a strike. why did the legitimate RMT seller in limsa remained despite being reported ? why did all those actual RMT sellers (and still are matter of fact) in PF at the time of me getting that strike still there - not just for a week, but for YEARS. same people, same name. so tell me again how this system isn't flawed?

i awknowledged a few times that you probably seen the macro as humorous. however the person who reported you and the gm's didn't. also pointing out it was in fact YOU who said the gm said that you were rmt content selling. read back to what you wrote. " they pulled me into gaol, claimed i was selling content for real money, showed the literal macro with the person i raised still in it, and STILL said i sold content for real money". Did you for once not stop to think that YOUR WORDING IN THE MACRO might give this type of response eventually lol. did you try to explain that the macro was a joke macro at all? like important and if you never did then whatever lol. Just think you should have realized the wording on it might get you into trouble one day no matter how funny it is.

as for the RMT bots. you know as much as they ban the buggers, more are made. Also for the longest time the rmt content sellers weren't against the tos in party finder. wasn't until what 2 months ago that changed and its nice and clean now here on aether. if you see them in pf on crystal, report it. within a hour or 2 they usually take it down and ban the account.

I never did say the system wasn't flawed. i just said in your case it was deemed warranted to pull you in by the gm's. your own wording on your macro did you in. despite how much you want to fight the logic. the wording is what did you in lol.

[Zomkei]

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this is going to be my last post to you regarding this because at this point it just feels like you're trying to argue for the sake of arguing. bad faith and all that.

yes, of course i explained it to them it was a joke and that it was literally impossible for me to sell a raise. i left that out of my original post because it wasn't the point. i wasn't even mad when i went to gaol, it was humorous then, and still is now. again, my point of the post isn't that i was sent to gaol. it's that its a flawed system no matter how you look at it. you may defend the GM, who is a professional and is paid to investigate cases like this to determine if the report is warranted. they knew i wasn't selling content for real money, because if i was, i wouldn't have just gotten a strike, i would have gotten banned (and the reason i didn't was probably because i explained that it was impossible.) simply put, they misread the macro and only realized it once i had explained it to them. if they had given me a strike on the macro itself instead of claiming it was rmt after they realized, then yes, i would agree with you, however, that is not the case.

as for the RMT bots. you know as much as they ban the buggers, more are made. Also for the longest time the rmt content sellers weren't against the tos in party finder. wasn't until what 2 months ago that changed and its nice and clean now here on aether. if you see them in pf on crystal, report it. within a hour or 2 they usually take it down and ban the account.

same people, same name.

it was literally the same level 1 alt with the same name sitting there in limsa for weeks. i can't understand your logic when you say rmt content sellers weren't against tos in party finder but it is against tos in other aspects? its always been against tos, in PF, in tells, in shout, no matter where it is, it's against tos.

[Ravenblade1979]

this is going to be my last post to you regarding this because at this point it just feels like you're trying to argue for the sake of arguing. bad faith and all that.

yes, of course i explained it to them it was a joke and that it was literally impossible for me to sell a raise. i left that out of my original post because it wasn't the point. i wasn't even mad when i went to gaol, it was humorous then, and still is now. again, my point of the post isn't that i was sent to gaol. it's that its a flawed system no matter how you look at it. you may defend the GM, who is a professional and is paid to investigate cases like this to determine if the report is warranted. they knew i wasn't selling content for real money, because if i was, i wouldn't have just gotten a strike, i would have gotten banned (and the reason i didn't was probably because i explained that it was impossible.) simply put, they misread the macro and only realized it once i had explained it to them. if they had given me a strike on the macro itself instead of claiming it was rmt after they realized, then yes, i would agree with you, however, that is not the case.





it was literally the same level 1 alt with the same name sitting there in limsa for weeks. i can't understand your logic when you say rmt content sellers weren't against tos in party finder but it is against tos in other aspects? its always been against tos, in PF, in tells, in shout, no matter where it is, it's against tos.

uh no. like look into it. they made some changes some months back about RMT Content sellers being against ToS if listed in pf. before that you couldn't even get them removed. i mean yeah i know you werent but you don't seem to want to even awknowledge the wording on your macro might have made the person who reported you and the gm's think you were rmt content selling. its like you almost there but don't want to awknowledge it. anyways im done with that portion of the convo