Easier? Dancer vs Summoner Debate

[WhimsicalPacifist]

Dancer is inherently more mechanically complex than Summoner. You have greater responsibilities with Devilment, Curing Waltz, the interrupt and making sure to not drift the steps.

On the other hand, summoner can be reduced to a single button macro and still parse purple. https://youtu.be/BId-R_GKsNc

We can also ask, which would you prefer: a 25% bottom percentile Summoner or a 25% bottom percentile Dancer?

[Ggwppino]

On the other hand, summoner can be reduced to a single button macro and still parse purple. https://youtu.be/BId-R_GKsNc

I think this concept is quite ungenerous. The fact that the combo can be done with a single button is due to the sole fact that it is a rotation without a proc. If a class doesn't have procs, then it can hypothetically have one-button rotation, whatever class it is. hypothetically a drg could also have one-button rotation, but it still has a respectable and highly optimizable rotation. (currently, because SQE could make another victim)

[ForsakenRoe]

I think this concept is quite ungenerous. The fact that the combo can be done with a single button is due to the sole fact that it is a rotation without a proc. If a class doesn't have procs, then it can hypothetically have one-button rotation, whatever class it is. hypothetically a drg could also have one-button rotation, but it still has a respectable and highly optimizable rotation. (currently, because SQE could make another victim)

If you could have any number of lines (instead of 15 as we're limited to), ie we're using a 3rd party macro writing software, you absolutely could have a macro that autoplays DNC for most of it's gameplay. Just throw a line saying /ac Bloodshower and /ac Fountainfall before every non-proc GCD to force it to 'try' to spend the procs, and if they aren't available it'll skip over them. The only part the macro couldn't do is the dances, since they're complete RNG, you'd have to do every step four times to make sure Tech was fully powered up (16 steps instead of 4 if you're a human and playing the game normally)

BRD though, 100% you could macro that because even if it procs, it's always the same reaction you take as a player: use bloodletter to not cap, use Pitch Perfect when you get it. Thinking about it I reckon the only class where you couldn't macro it to a high degree of efficiency like a TAS (using infinite-length macro software) would be DNC because of it's dances. Everything else would be pretty simple to make a TAS of. Even RDM, I think, now that you have to be actually trying to get imbalanced mana

[Ggwppino]

If you could have any number of lines (instead of 15 as we're limited to), ie we're using a 3rd party macro writing software, you absolutely could have a macro that autoplays DNC for most of it's gameplay. Just throw a line saying /ac Bloodshower and /ac Fountainfall before every non-proc GCD to force it to 'try' to spend the procs, and if they aren't available it'll skip over them. The only part the macro couldn't do is the dances, since they're complete RNG, you'd have to do every step four times to make sure Tech was fully powered up (16 steps instead of 4 if you're a human and playing the game normally)

BRD though, 100% you could macro that because even if it procs, it's always the same reaction you take as a player: use bloodletter to not cap, use Pitch Perfect when you get it. Thinking about it I reckon the only class where you couldn't macro it to a high degree of efficiency like a TAS (using infinite-length macro software) would be DNC because of it's dances. Everything else would be pretty simple to make a TAS of. Even RDM, I think, now that you have to be actually trying to get imbalanced mana

Actually the video show the single button combo with the game macro system (so with delay caused by not optimal use of queue system). With a 3rd party tools i think it possibile also attack without press any button for each class
Anyway, I dont want to say that smn is difficult (you can read my first post, second post in this thread), i mean that I don't find the observation of the single button combo correct, because it is a concept that can very well be attributed to any other no proc class, even much more operationally complex than the smn

[Valence]

If you could have any number of lines (instead of 15 as we're limited to), ie we're using a 3rd party macro writing software, you absolutely could have a macro that autoplays DNC for most of it's gameplay. Just throw a line saying /ac Bloodshower and /ac Fountainfall before every non-proc GCD to force it to 'try' to spend the procs, and if they aren't available it'll skip over them. The only part the macro couldn't do is the dances, since they're complete RNG, you'd have to do every step four times to make sure Tech was fully powered up (16 steps instead of 4 if you're a human and playing the game normally)

BRD though, 100% you could macro that because even if it procs, it's always the same reaction you take as a player: use bloodletter to not cap, use Pitch Perfect when you get it. Thinking about it I reckon the only class where you couldn't macro it to a high degree of efficiency like a TAS (using infinite-length macro software) would be DNC because of it's dances. Everything else would be pretty simple to make a TAS of. Even RDM, I think, now that you have to be actually trying to get imbalanced mana

A DNC macro wouldn't be able to spool up feather procs into burst phases, as well as knowing when to use Sabre Dance/gauge. A DNC macro wouldn't be able to deal with the little priority the job still has remaining during its burst (notably when to dance, or when to delay dances and how to manage gauge overcap).

A BRD macro wouldn't be able to deal with Pitch Perfect optimization, and even more so than DNC, would be totally left dumbfounded with every burst priority system. It would also be totally unable to deal with Apex use.

I don't know what is TAS though, is this third party software?