SE Please don't destroy Sage like the other healers

[IceBlueNinja]

The person ask simple thing and all the angry entitled sch ast and whm with their flames just bashing a topic that is nothing but a request. Can yall put these negativies in yall own post or the other complaint ones and leave the people who enjoy sage alone. I swear these forums are as bad and toxic as the dead by day light forums for 0 reasons.

[IceBlueNinja]

It's not like Sage has riveting gameplay. it's just a copy and pasted SCH with less jank due to no fairy. The job still has a few odd design choices of its own because they do not or cannot innovate with healers.

Didnt yall say this about ast when it had duo stance?

[Rilifane]

Didnt yall say this about ast when it had duo stance?

Having a stance that locks you into either shields or regens for the duration of the fight isn't innovative.
Changing talents/ spec in WoW or switching Souls in Rift isn't innovative gameplay, it's a basic feature that lets you take a pick before the action takes place and then you're locked to it.

Innovative gameplay was something like extending all active buffs, giving a single skill a massive skill ceiling.
Anything that rewards you for being clever, thinking on your feet or outside the box; switching stance before a fight isn't it. The only clever thing about it was doing the stance dance prepull in ShB to stack shields triple shields so the party could ignore the first aoe even on e8s. Your toolkit was still largely a series of disconnected skills with Neutral/ Horo being the only small exception here.

I know you want to marry Noct stance but if you think this is a good example of innovative or fresh ideas for healers, your bar is really low.

I could give a long list of good, fresh and sometimes even really unusual and innovate ideas from other games.
But FFXIV healers have been stale and bland for years.

[IceBlueNinja]

Sage is a strictly inferior scholar clone with an under-utilised knock-off dark arts. There is nothing to destroy.

Same can be said about weeb sch when it had smn kit which was born from a dps job.

[IceBlueNinja]

Having a stance that locks you into either shields or regens for the duration of the fight isn't innovative.
Changing talents/ spec in WoW or switching Souls in Rift isn't innovative gameplay, it's a basic feature that lets you take a pick before the action takes place and then you're locked to it.

Innovative gameplay was something like extending all active buffs, giving a single skill a massive skill ceiling.
Anything that rewards you for being clever, thinking on your feet or outside the box; switching stance before a fight isn't it. The only clever thing about it was doing the stance dance prepull in ShB to stack shields triple shields so the party could ignore the first aoe even on e8s. Your toolkit was still largely a series of disconnected skills with Neutral/ Horo being the only small exception here.

I know you want to marry Noct stance but if you think this is a good example of innovative or fresh ideas for healers, your bar is really low.

I could give a long list of good, fresh and sometimes even really unusual and innovate ideas from other games.
But FFXIV healers have been stale and bland for years.

I didnt say anything about noct exclusively, just asked a question lol wowie.

[Rilifane]

I didnt say anything about noct exclusively, just asked a question lol wowie.

"lol wowie?"
After I was explicitely saying that this kind of feature is NOT, in fact, a sign of innovative gameplay?
AST had stances from HW until ShB but the really innovate thing in it's toolkit was extending buffs - which had nothing to do with your stance. So how are stances important for this? You're being disingenius here.

[IceBlueNinja]

"lol wowie?"
After I was explicitely saying that this kind of feature is NOT, in fact, a sign of innovative gameplay?
AST had stances from HW until ShB but the really innovate thing in it's toolkit was extending buffs - which had nothing to do with your stance. So how are stances important for this? You're being disingenius here.

Yes I agree but not counting its cards. People would bash its healing kit during those times stating its a wanna be copy whm or sch and was barely different

[Sebazy]

Perhaps people bashed it because its core kit was a literal cut and paste of WHM. It had cure, cure 2, regen, 2 medicas. In terms of healing, the main thing that split AST from WHM at 3.0 was It’s ability to extend hots along with other buffs, this was balanced by it’s regen being a tick shorter if I remember rightly. Where it really diverged from WHM was its lack of a throughput CD though and this was highlighted right out of the gate with Gordias.

At the end of the day SE are going to puss off people no matter what they do or don’t do at this stage. They are stuck in a stale path that is at odds with the actual game. There is no choice they can make that is going to please everyone because of how much needs to be done at this stage to truly course correct healing in this game. /shrug

[Mesarthim]

The person ask simple thing and all the angry entitled sch ast and whm with their flames just bashing a topic that is nothing but a request. Can yall put these negativies in yall own post or the other complaint ones and leave the people who enjoy sage alone. I swear these forums are as bad and toxic as the dead by day light forums for 0 reasons.

Pro tip: The world isn't out to get you. People are allowed to post opinions that diverge from yours that, in fact, are not toxic. I don't recall seeing people saying people aren't allowed to like something. Calm down with the white knighting for others. I call it being critical of something and even want improvements of my own but I am not going to bother discussing things that probably won't happen by the devs. That's why I typically do not participate in threads where people make their own class or builds.

Sage is the healer I in fact use because they kept messing with AST. Doesn't mean I don't find the addersting system stupid or the ability to not be able to turn off eukrasia an oversight. I waited 4+ years for a new healer because they kept screwing with the older ones and I was given one that has a copycat of a preloaded excog, sacred soil, indom, embrace etc at the exact same levels with a minor twist.

-Signed, a former pre-ShB AST.

Edit: Woudn't be surprised if they removed icarus in 7.0 (which is fun) because sage has a gap closer and the other healers do not lol.

[AmiableApkallu]

Woudn't be surprised if they removed icarus in 7.0 (which is fun) because sage has a gap closer and the other healers do not lol.

I don't really play Sage, but I kinda figured they get Icarus to make up for the fact that they're the only healer without a ground-targeted AoE heal.