Nerf the Hell out of Ninja

[HyperiusUltima]

Their LB needs to change. The ability to insta-kill anyone at half health is insane and polarizes the entire game. That, and the fact they have an entire utility belt that can be used for any situation shows how stupidly overpowered they are right now.

Simply nerf the crap out of Ninja's main utilities and either rework Seikon to something else or lower the threshold to 25%.

[Gape]

Exactly. I'm tired of the Ninja meta in PvP.

[SweetPete]

Just gotta know how to deal with them. They aren’t that bad. I like beating ninjas up lol.

[Flay_wind]

Honestly, skill issue.
PvP NIN already got a ton of nerfs as is.

[Kansene]

In CC I can't ever remember NIN being an issue.
In FL, their problem is that they're too tanky.

Insta-kill abilities are really lame as a concept to me personally, but I don't think it's necessarily OP.

[Cidel]

Show us on the doll where the NIN Seiton Tench'you.

[Vatom]

Well Sh@!t Here we go again.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Im in line with Kansene. It is less about NIN being OP in CC, but Seiton Tenchou really limits what NIN could be and holds entire matches hostage with how you have to play by the sheer presence of that Limit gauge.

Simply put, it is extremely unfun to deal with this ability.

[Ransu]

They have been nerfed like 3 times already. They are fine where they are at right now. Keep your HP above 50%, problem solved. The only thing I would really change is instant kill LB's going through guard.

[Alltair]

Ninja is not OP by any means. People that claim this either haven't played ninja and don't realise how mid it actually is or they've only ever played Ninja and don't realise how much better other jobs are.
I'm just going to refer to these posts because they perfectly sum up Ninja.

It doesn't have those all at once. It is a *choice* between high ranged damage or a shield or self-heal. It's a choice between damage or stun. It's a choice between holding Shukuchi as an escape button, or committing it for extra damage.

A NIN spending absolutely everything on offense does less burst than almost any other melee (it's good damage but it's across several GCDs) and has absolutely zero sustain or defense - it cannot teleport away, it cannot use the Huton shield or Meisui heal, it is just meat on the table. A NIN that commits everything to defense is very hard to kill, indeed, but has the lowest damage in the game (even worse than PLD) and also lacks control (at least PLD has that 3 sec stun to secure kills with.) A NIN that splits the difference does good damage and is reasonably hard to kill, but doesn't do anywhere near as much damage as other classes, and isn't necessarily harder to kill than some other classes.

NIN has a wide toolkit, but it cannot access all of that toolkit simultaneously. It has to balance resource spending on the fly and understand when to go aggressive and when to be defensive.

NIN is fine. People are just bad at the game and just want to cry about the thing that killed them.

It's a stun that's either 2 sec or 4 sec and it consumes two GCDs to perform, and which deals minimal damage instead of the 16,000 damage a Hyosho or Goka would have done with that mudra charge. During which, the NIN cannot use any other attack actions except shurikens, which themselves have a cooldown. It's also NIN's only gap closer other than Shukuchi, and Shukuchi is doubling as one of NIN's primary sources of burst damage and only escape button.

Seiton is massively overstated if you're not talking about LP games. Without the kind of coordination necessary to "guarantee" instant Seiton hits, it's strictly C tier material, mostly used to finish off people who were going to be dying anyway and effectively just being a worse Meteodrive.

Preusing Huton requires significant setup time. Shurikens are only 6k damage per GCD on a 10 sec recharge timer, equivalent to a BRD's fillers. Hyosho and Goka are 16k but consume a mudra charge.

Melee burst combo requires Assassinate (Shukuchi) and a prepared Aeolian Edge, along with Bunshin. It's not something you can do at the drop of a hat. If they're using a mudra on Raiju, then they cannot deal damage during that time except for Shurikens. Raiju effectively locks away all other GCD damage actions until they've spent both charges. If they commit Shukuchi, Raiju, and Hyosho to a burst cycle, then they have absolutely no defenses available. They have less inherent defense than a White Mage.

NIN cannot do all of what you've described, all at once, with no prep time. You're coming across as someone that loses to something and then whines about it. If NIN's so broken, play it yourself and climb to top 10 on your DC.

I myself fell for the trap that is Ninja. Witnessing their wide toolkit and dying to their LB led me to believe they're strong which made me play them for quite some time. Until I swapped to other jobs because they're really just mid. I can achieve higher damage and more kills on jobs like machinist or dragoon and I can influence the battlefield more effectively with tanks. Ninja is a jack of all trades, master of none. It has an answer to everything (not simultaneously) but it doesn't excel at anything which is what you need.