Change/Remove Lalafell "Lifter"...

[WilhelmWhite]

It's reasonable to be upset over something that intrudes on our enjoyment outside of the reality of real life.

No, it isn't reasonable at all. You seemed to have conveniently missed the part where it was OPTIONAL. How in the world is this "intruding on your enjoyment" when you literally don't have to buy it? You don't even have to look at at.

"This thing exists and I don't like it. I don't have to buy this thing, or even interact with it if I don't want to. But it still exists, so it's ruining my experience."

It's almost like thinking this way is completely irrational.

[VoidsentStatus]

No, it isn't reasonable at all. You seemed to have conveniently missed the part where it was OPTIONAL. How in the world is this "intruding on your enjoyment" when you literally don't have to buy it? You don't even have to look at at.

"This thing exists and I don't like it. I don't have to buy this thing, or even interact with it if I don't want to. But it still exists, so it's ruining my experience."

It's almost like thinking this way is completely irrational.

This is the main strawman that pisses off people in the lalafell community. It's not irrational, it's with an implication of experience that most people aren't aware of. Primarily that people inside of the rp and gpose community use things such as that chair as proof to treat them as children despite being a race that the developers of the game say to not treat as children, that are not even supposed to look like humans according to Yoshi-P himself.

Yoshi-P: Lalafell are not children.
NA People: But they have child-like countenance. (ignoring that a child-like face is no different than someone having a child-like voice but being an adult or not being I'll say physically gifted as a female)
Yoshi-P: Lalafell do not look like humans.
NA People: But, but, they look like children. Look at the emotes and voices. (ignores the deep voice options for lalafell and that miqo's have a slutty emote, but that doesn't mean every miqo is a slut)
Yoshi-P: We will never have children playable characters.
NA People: I don't care what you say, lalafell are children.
Yoshi-P: *adds baby chair into the game with lalafell description*
NA People: See, I told you lalafell were children!
Lalafell: wtf Yoshi-P...as if we didn't have enough to deal with already.
NA People: See lalafell, more proof you're meant to be children! Some of you are pedophiles and deserved to be harassed and witchhunted for treating lalafell as adults when they're children.
Lalafell: so we're just gonna ignore everything Yoshi-P said...
NA People: Yes.
Lalafell: Yoshi-P, can you remove this chair please. I'm tired of people harassing me and calling me a pedophile in-game, on twitter, on discord and trying to exile me from communities because they want to ignore everything else you say and do with the game.
NA People: Why are you getting mad over a chair bro? Go outside.

[Opinionated]

This is the main strawman that pisses off people in the lalafell community.

Oh my god you are not the spokes person for Lala players.
This is your brain on RP.

Just to give a list of things I've seen related to lalafell/pedophile accusations:

- twitter posts of people with thousands of followers saying to block nsfw lalafells, spam report their twitter profile, and witch hunt anyone else that's related to/friends with them to basically exile them and their followers. (ask if you want links, as I was flooded with these about 2-3 months ago as it's mainly a gpose community behavior)

- accusations of calling me a pedophile

- ^ also related to this was mass-banning from a lot of prominent venue discords on Crystal so I'm waking up to Mee6 ban messages calling me a pedophile

- ^ in addition to that, both of us got random hate tells/had our network/friends also attacked such as: "oh you're working with the pedophile", "they disgust me, you should be careful who you associate with". that's outside of staff-related issues when a venue owner gets called a pedo

Sounds to me like you did some pedo shit and got called out for it.. Can you creeps understand that you RP weirdos arent exactly the average player? Go do your thing in 2nd life or something.

[VoidsentStatus]

Oh my god you are not the spokes person for Lala players.
This is your brain on RP.



Sounds to me like you did some pedo shit and got called out for it.. Can you creeps understand that you RP weirdos arent exactly the average player? Go do your thing in 2nd life or something.

Or people used an inspect tool to fake discord conversations for a person that was never able to be found, but anxiety and trauma has that effect on people. And nice insult calling every RP'er a weirdo. And you're definitely a spokesperson for lalafell considering you're not in the RP community where the majority of the significant lalafell issues are at.

[Kneecap_Stabber]

@VoidsentStatus

Removing the chair isn't gonna stop anyone from being harassed. The reason people ignore the dev's comments is that everyone has already made up their minds on this issue beforehand. Everyone who has played through the story has seen the heavy presence of Lalafell in leadership positions being treated as adults, so it just comes down to whether you personally can look past their size and childlike appearance, which some people can't. The presence or lack of any in-game item, piece of dialogue, or developer's note is not going to ever change even one person's opinion on this. The number of being rude to Lalafell players is going to stay exactly the same regardless of whether they added the chair. Lots of RP and gpose communities tend to attract a lot of toxic people in general, and most are honestly just better off not interacting with. Just block, report, and move on. It's really that simple.

At the end of the day, it's just a cute pastel chair. I don't really see how the devs giving Lalafell a childish chair is any different than giving them childish emotes. If anything, it makes practical sense that they would need a chair with high legs to see over tables sized for other races. The color palette is cutesy because Lalafell have always been the cutesy race. There is plenty of other pastel pink/white furniture in the game, I had a lot of them in my previous house which was a Lalafell bakery, and it fits in with those furnishings very nicely.

[VoidsentStatus]

@VoidsentStatus

Removing the chair isn't gonna stop anyone from being harassed. The reason people ignore the dev's comments is that everyone has already made up their minds on this issue beforehand. Everyone who has played through the story has seen the heavy presence of Lalafell in leadership positions being treated as adults, so it just comes down to whether you personally can look past their size and childlike appearance, which some people can't. The presence or lack of any in-game item, piece of dialogue, or developer's note is not going to ever change even one person's opinion on this. The number of being rude to Lalafell players is going to stay exactly the same regardless of whether they added the chair. Lots of RP and gpose communities tend to attract a lot of toxic people in general, and most are honestly just better off not interacting with. Just block, report, and move on. It's really that simple.

At the end of the day, it's just a cute pastel chair. I don't really see how the devs giving Lalafell a childish chair is any different than giving them childish emotes. If anything, it makes practical sense that they would need a chair with high legs to see over tables sized for other races. The color palette is cutesy because Lalafell have always been the cutesy race. There is plenty of other pastel pink/white furniture in the game, I had a lot of them in my previous house which was a Lalafell bakery, and it fits in with those furnishings very nicely.

Hence why I put a line saying "as if we didn't already have enough to deal with." Just because a problem exists doesn't mean you get it to make it worse as much as you want. If it's something as simple as changing a dye or removing a text that could help in the smallest margin of minimizing, that shouldn't be off the table with feedback.

[Kneecap_Stabber]

Hence why I put a line saying "as if we didn't already have enough to deal with." Just because a problem exists doesn't mean you get it to make it worse as much as you want. If it's something as simple as changing a dye or removing a text that could help in the smallest margin of minimizing, that shouldn't be off the table with feedback.

It's really not going to minimize it even in the smallest margin though. As I said, everyone has already made up their minds on this. Can you find one person whose opinion on whether Lalafells should be considered children was decided by the addition of this chair? If not, how exactly is this making it worse for you?

[VoidsentStatus]

It's really not going to minimize it even in the smallest margin though. As I said, everyone has already made up their minds on this. Can you find one person whose opinion on whether Lalafells should be considered children was decided by the addition of this chair? If not, how exactly is this making it worse for you?

Because that's how argumentation points work. If someone says this is why I believe x, for a and b reasons, adding c gives more reason to believe said argument. That is what is called evidence. Having more or less does sway judgements. Similar to irl, there are people firmly on either side of a debate that can't be shifted, but there will also be people on the fence that see valid points on both sides and actually nitpick on the amount of compelling evidence from either.