Question for the people who don't dislike the 2nd relic step

[RyuDragnier]

the people that like this step are the ones who pay a sub to stand around afk in town. they dont want to actually play the game. eureka/bozja was actual new content and we lost it for useless goofy island.

ROFL. I log in, do roulettes, new tribe, maps, gathering materials for crafting and currently Orthos with the crew. It helps me out because I've been needing a reason to do roulettes again, and with the newer content I'm also actually getting things done.

[McChaffee]

I'm personally fine with the relic being a tomestone sink for a few reason.

1. This future-proofs the grind in later expansions and will provide players with a good poetic sink rather than having to force players into dealing with a lot of the problems older relics have, i.e. low player count in their relevant content.
2. You can passively grind the relic by just doing dailies or hunts.
3. Because of my second point, this is the most accessible relic for those of us who have every job maxed.
4. It's also an extremely easy entry point/catch-up weapon for people who are still behind on gear, compared to some previous relic steps which required RNG and could take significantly longer to complete.

Regarding 2 and 3, I did over 200 runs of Syrcus Tower for the ShB relics for 1 step since I was working on all of them at the time. It was absolutely miserable because the only alternatives were Critical Engagements or Castrum Lacus Litore, which were no-where near as efficient.

That being said, if there is one issue I have, it's SE missing the opportunity to add in more passive tomestone farming methods with the relic. For example, if SE added a good tomestone payout for FATEs in EW zones and added Critical Engagements to the EW zones tied to FATEs with this relic step and advertised it as an optimal/good way to farm tomestones for the relic, I think there'd be a lot less people upset by this relic step.

[seolhyun]

relic should be meaningful grind for your main class with new content like the last 2 xpacs, not easy throwaway catch up weapons for your 12 alt jobs u cant play well anyway

[Imora]

the people that like this step are the ones who pay a sub to stand around afk in town. they dont want to actually play the game. eureka/bozja was actual new content and we lost it for useless goofy island.

Socializing with my friends, while playing dress up with my dresser and messing with my house *is* playing the game, tyvm.

[RyuDragnier]

relic should be meaningful grind for your main class with new content like the last 2 xpacs, not easy throwaway catch up weapons for your 12 alt jobs u cant play well anyway

They already said this is modeled after the ARR and HW relics...2nd steps in both of them were easy. But their notoriety on getting them isn't for the 2nd step, it's for the steps AFTER this one. Again, 3rd step for ARR relic is the notorious Atma grind, and the 3rd step for HW is the Unidentified Item grind, both which were real annoying to do back then. Expect a similar annoying grind for your troubles, assuming they don't skip that and just jump straight into the horrors of the materia or the Umbrite/Crystal Sand grinds.

[McChaffee]

relic should be meaningful grind for your main class with new content like the last 2 xpacs, not easy throwaway catch up weapons for your 12 alt jobs u cant play well anyway

What meaningful grind? The only point where relics have hit BiS status in previous expansions is always well after the content they would be good for clearing is already being regularly farmed. In terms of actual usage after their expansions, they only are consistently good for scaling into Ultimates. Unless you're doing Ultimates, you're not getting much for completing them unless you're dramatically behind on current gear when they're released.

Unless you're doing that, the only thing you're really getting out of the weapons is a shiny look with a glow effect.

[Xirean]

relic should be meaningful grind for your main class with new content like the last 2 xpacs, not easy throwaway catch up weapons for your 12 alt jobs u cant play well anyway

This is a video game. What "meaning" are you looking for it to give your life?

[seolhyun]

ppl responding to me with thousands of forum posts i do not care what u say. obv u are not playing the game you just live on forums.

[RyuDragnier]

So you admit you're just a troll.

[Stormpeaks]

So you admit you're just a troll.

Or they just cant be arsed with people like you and others who are ready to do anything to defend this company's laziness