Question for the people who don't dislike the 2nd relic step

[GTK0HLK]

Kinda funny the first response you get reads more in opposition, than what the op asked..,

I'm not for or against.., But it does feel like it's been a perfect inclement weather, that has made all this occur..,
<I've repeated it alot, but for those that haven't. There is too many things in the air that have impacted the game rn. for good or bad..,> which is why I feel it's perfectly fine for people to be even more mad if 7.0 doesn't have a shred of what was actually promised. But this isn't a wait til said patch as many are likely to lump together with.., and more a.., You should already know/many faces showing up like they didn't know<it's fine if they dont>. [as much as I'd like a ExpZone, it was never in the books/replaced by IS]

The tomes being Necessary is not a huge deal. For as others have said, for some reason. Players bash the content when it's current, but fail to see the good, if any from it. only to Applaude it after.
<It certainly is long, but if players could gear up all their classes. -they cant- People would be Grinding 57k tomes, or 28500 tomes. The kind that you get from High Level Content after dailies. Thus supporting new content.<Despite the pains players still ate held to by lockout>

[I have my classes Capped, but not all of them are geared, and 27k tomes are what I need to get for the step. I won't count my alts, as I feel some form of A.Wide-ing needs to exists]

They could of given us a Fate grind, and honestly I would prefer it. but the likelihood of why it does feel exist.., specially in a EW Zone, like Mare. Taking advantage of the instances. Is cause of other content being put on the spotlight. Eureka Orthos.

Like it was with the first step, people complained it was tomes again, despite the fact that it was Astro, instead of poetics these two times. [their intention or not, it leads to scarcity in the items being sold, made, thus boosting the Marketboard. Not only with new DD items, but Current in-demand items returning to previous Levels of Price. It won't crash as immediately as some players will only do a couple of Jobs.]

I knew we were never getting a Exploration Zone. But Fate Grind in Gemstone Areas, or some other form of Grind would be acceptable. But we really don't know what they have on hand to make for us.
<People want many things, even a three way approach they can choose from will leave some distraught.>
They forget that Not all of is for the best.
<I would never want a return to ARR Relic stages. or Roadblocks of systems within Exploration Zones/Be Required to Queue into a Instance and finish a story before I can collect what I need simultaneously/before. Looking at you red Crystals for Custom stats until you logos yourself.> [Unless they make the Amount of Grind, less for alts. if you've completed one/all Relics of their respective expansion]

I could go on, but people need to voice themselves. Things could be in turn of a bad Grind, than a good one.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

(I swear to God this isn't a troll thread)

Why?

I'm pretty baffled that some players are defending the implementation of this step, and I want to get your reasoning for it. Is it because it isn't a grind that is set in stone (e.g run x raid y amount of times)? Does the step being the same as the first one not bother you? Do you not mind it, but wish it was somehow different? I just want to know.

I know that the forum's cluttered with the topic, but I figured that a thread specifically for this question wouldn't (hopefully) instantly devolve into flame wars and name calling.

I like that I can just go what I normally do in the game organically anyway, to earn my 1500 tomestones, as many or as few times as I want. Im excited to have another reason to run roulettes.

[Johners]

It depends on the relics. ARR and HW are just a dumb grind of existing content so 1500 tomestones is better than capping some fucking books or whatever. Eureka and Bozja is top tier content though and gave myself, someone with no real interest in savage/ultimate, community focused content to enjoy with other players. I didn't even touch Eureka until 6.1/6.2 (started in April 2021) but it was very enjoyable with there being two great Discord communities for Light DC that run that content. It was actually social content in an MMO which is apparently a very outrageous thing to ask for.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It depends on the relics. ARR and HW are just a dumb grind of existing content so 1500 tomestones is better than capping some fucking books or whatever. Eureka and Bozja is top tier content though and gave myself, someone with no real interest in savage/ultimate, community focused content to enjoy with other players. I didn't even touch Eureka until 6.1/6.2 (started in April 2021) but it was very enjoyable with there being two great Discord communities for Light DC that run that content. It was actually social content in an MMO which is apparently a very outrageous thing to ask for.

It's social because it's a lot of "sit around and wait"



During 4.x, in eureka, you'd have a lot of people sitting around waiting for an nm to pop while a few people did all the work to pop it. So the people not doing anything were social and got the benefits while the people doing the work couldn't really chat because XIV combat doesn't allow for that.

[Avoidy]

I imagine it's the same reasoning people use for stripping down to get crystal tower in roulette. They don't have a lot of time and just want their rewards as quickly as possible.
Speaking as someone with a 9-5 who doesn't have 8 hours a night anymore to dedicate to an mmo, I still think this was a bad route for them to take. 99% of the game is already a love letter to adults with jobs who don't have free time anymore. Give the grinders something to do. Hell, give ME something to do. I basically log in for a few hours after work and don't even know why I'm online half the time. It all feels so pointless and empty. Before the relic grind, I'd log in and do my dailies and then just stand around. Now that the relic grind is here... I'm doing the exact same thing! All that's changed is I spend my tomes on a weapon instead of mistletoe at the vendor.

Some people are like "imagine complaining about wanting to grind more," and those people just don't get it. They have a fundamentally different mindset. Neither is better or worse, just different. There will literally be raiders who do 500 pulls in prog before they get a clear, but they can't understand someone else wanting to spend the same amount of time in a different instance to accomplish something slightly different because "it isn't bis" so it just goes right over their head. There are people out there, and I used to be one of them, who just enjoy the inherent process of sitting and grinding and optimizing their grind and seeing their progress counter go up. These people made island sanctuary their bitch in under a week, cracked variant dungeons in a few days, and are currently milking the hell out of reskinned PotD because they're just that bored and unsatisfied right now. Post-EW has felt like a series of appetizers. The main course, a meaty exploratory zone tied to a beefy relic grind, is missing. We're told it's missing because they wanted to give us more appetizers to make the meal more palatable for people who don't have time to eat it anyway. Are you kidding me? lmao

[SomeGuy22]

OP you are confusing people with that double negative

I noticed lmao
Gonna edit the OP, my bad

[Tehmon]

1. Currently I don't have the patience, time or energy to do a long grind, so basically, I lucked out.
2. I'm happy that I can spend my tomestones of astronomy on something.
3. I'm happy there is now a relatively painless way to upgrade your alt job weapons.
4. I prefer to do roulettes because at least then you can also farm other tomestones and gil while accumulating astronomy.

Besides that, this is only step two.

[LittleImp]

It's been fun trying to predict how the usual suspects will try to defend content received this poorly. The level of cope has gotten so unreal that I don't think their arguments really amount to anything more than self-soothing.

[Xirean]

Reasons to like the current steps:
- No specific content required other than ones that give the specified tomestone (this will become everything from ARR to EW in 7.0 which is even better)
- Don't have to change my per-existing pattern of play to achieve. I obtain a fun shiny weapon as a passive reward for playing the game and the only cost is less turn ins to the Grand Company.
- No FATE or Hunt farming required. This is actually a big one. In my experience too many people in a zone means I have trouble getting in or staying in so not making this a requirement means there isn't an army of people to contend with.
- The content is future proofed if I randomly decide to do it again later down the line.
- Does not require the input of crafters/gatherers to progress.
- No random loot drop to collect.
- No requirement to equip the weapon to obtain whatever is needed to progress (more future proofing).
- No separate instance zone that doesn't allow me to be in que for something else while doing it. I cannot begin to describe how much I hate Eureka and Bozja for this. Do not cut me off from the rest of the game just to progress a shiny weapon or a story.

[Kaurhz]

I don't enjoy it, but equally, I don't mind it - This has been my thought process towards every relic ever.

Frankly, running an arbitrary number of FATEs, an arbitrary number of raids, or an arbitrary number of tomes, I find neither is more engaging or as enjoyable as the other. Granted, I would prefer the relic to be something that you can't have prefarmed before the patch. Or a number that isn't as underwhelming.

But otherwise, I generally don't care. I can just focus my time on other projects in the game. e.g., finishing Pteranodon, doing the TANK mounts, and just general achievement hunting, e.g., World Class Troller.

I suppose the 1 benefit/advantage to their current method is that it's an extra level of incentive to join hunt trains for the Centurio Tiger. These are my only advantages, and it works just because I actually enjoy achievement hunting.