Can something be done about alliance raids?

[MaxCarnage]

what you even talk about? the content was supper popular when it was new. thing is now even if people want to do the older raids they barely can as the wait time is to much. mot all even have 1h to play so lets not start on wait it.

I don't really understand half of what you wrote. Sorry.

But if it was "super popular", I didn't see it. At least not 2 weeks passed the release. Too many times trying to get my tokens I had long queues. Fastest I ever remember having was 20 mins. You may have had a different experience. That's fine. But that was mine on Aether in ShB.

As of right now, the wait times are so long because most people don't enjoy slogging through the fights. I didn't mind the raids when they were new. But right now all the bosses are just damage sponges and it's not fun. The fights aren't hard, they're just boring. I don't want to be fighting the same thing 10 mins later, and neither do a lot of people.

If they fixed the HP of these bosses to reflect the stat squish better than they supposedly did, I'm sure a lot more people would be willing to run the raid and unlock it on alts.

[magitekLuna]

I don't really understand half of what you wrote. Sorry.

But if it was "super popular", I didn't see it. At least not 2 weeks passed the release. Too many times trying to get my tokens I had long queues. Fastest I ever remember having was 20 mins. You may have had a different experience. That's fine. But that was mine on Aether in ShB.

As of right now, the wait times are so long because most people don't enjoy slogging through the fights. I didn't mind the raids when they were new. But right now all the bosses are just damage sponges and it's not fun. The fights aren't hard, they're just boring. I don't want to be fighting the same thing 10 mins later, and neither do a lot of people.

If they fixed the HP of these bosses to reflect the stat squish better than they supposedly did, I'm sure a lot more people would be willing to run the raid and unlock it on alts.

its not that at all. its long as most people are forced in to tower in the roulette. most did the raids and get the glams they need from them so no reason to go there manually

[Kolaina]

its not that at all. its long as most people are forced in to tower in the roulette. most did the raids and get the glams they need from them so no reason to go there manually

If more people wanted nier raids it wouldn’t be so hard to get. Some of you claim to be queueing directly. Guess not enough of you.

While people do quit as soon as CT pops, they are more popular due to the ease and time they take. There’s a reason people aren’t unlocking other raids on alts.

Nier raids got ruined with the stat squish in my opinion. Everything became damage sponges.

I’ll take a 15 minute run over a 30 to 45 any day. Allows me to do more with my play time

[MaxCarnage]

its not that at all. its long as most people are forced in to tower in the roulette. most did the raids and get the glams they need from them so no reason to go there manually

And why are people forced in to them? Because it's the lowest level alliance. People use them to level alt jobs. There are a lot of new people. It's the only MSQ one. It's always going to favour CT.

It doesn't help, though, that the other raids, like Ivalice and Nier, are slogs. The bosses are health sponges. They take way too long. People don't want to unlock them and if they do have them unlocked, you have ilvl cheese because they don't want them. If they scaled the health of these alliances to match the stat squish, people would be more inclined to do them. That's just a fact.

Because I feel as though the devs, and even some players based on the suggestions I've seen here, seem to forget that a lot of health =/= difficult.

People play the game to have fun. They don't play to zone out pressing their buttons on a boss fight that takes way too long.

The reason to go into them and to not cheese the ilvl for the roulette would be because they're enjoyable. But as you said, there's no reason to do them. Because they're not fun.

[magitekLuna]

If more people wanted nier raids it wouldn’t be so hard to get. Some of you claim to be queueing directly. Guess not enough of you.

While people do quit as soon as CT pops, they are more popular due to the ease and time they take. There’s a reason people aren’t unlocking other raids on alts.

Nier raids got ruined with the stat squish in my opinion. Everything became damage sponges.

I’ll take a 15 minute run over a 30 to 45 any day. Allows me to do more with my play time

its is what i say. sorry if i did not made it clear. its an older raid so most players did get what they want from it. so no reason for most to queueing directly.
as for how long it take i never have a nier raid run that was longer that 25 min. so i take the one that is fun to do over the faster but brain dead one

[magitekLuna]

And why are people forced in to them? Because it's the lowest level alliance. People use them to level alt jobs. There are a lot of new people. It's the only MSQ one. It's always going to favour CT.

It doesn't help, though, that the other raids, like Ivalice and Nier, are slogs. The bosses are health sponges. They take way too long. People don't want to unlock them and if they do have them unlocked, you have ilvl cheese because they don't want them. If they scaled the health of these alliances to match the stat squish, people would be more inclined to do them. That's just a fact.

Because I feel as though the devs, and even some players based on the suggestions I've seen here, seem to forget that a lot of health =/= difficult.

People play the game to have fun. They don't play to zone out pressing their buttons on a boss fight that takes way too long.

The reason to go into them and to not cheese the ilvl for the roulette would be because they're enjoyable. But as you said, there's no reason to do them. Because they're not fun.

i know that. so may be the system as it is now IS PURE SHIT? take the tower raids in to the msq roulette.
when did i say its "Because they're not fun"? i say people played them way more that 10 times and nothing is fun at this point. so its down to loot. but you can have fun in the brain dead tower all you like. i just happy to take the 30 min if i get it.

[PyurBlue]

If more people wanted nier raids it wouldn’t be so hard to get. Some of you claim to be queueing directly. Guess not enough of you.

It's more complicated than that. Alliance is more or less rigged to favor CT and to favor players seeking CT.

I’ll take a 15 minute run over a 30 to 45 any day. Allows me to do more with my play time

It only makes sense to play how you want, but I never really understood this. If I'm enjoying myself, I don't mind putting time into something. Breaking a long play session into tiny 5 minute chunks sounds disruptive to me, but that's just my opinion.

And why are people forced in to them? Because it's the lowest level alliance. People use them to level alt jobs. There are a lot of new people. It's the only MSQ one. It's always going to favour CT.

These are all manufactured problems. Just split the roulette and let people choose. CT just ruins the entire thing for anyone who doesn't want to run those raids.

It doesn't help, though, that the other raids, like Ivalice and Nier, are slogs. The bosses are health sponges. They take way too long. People don't want to unlock them and if they do have them unlocked, you have ilvl cheese because they don't want them. If they scaled the health of these alliances to match the stat squish, people would be more inclined to do them. That's just a fact.

You call it a slog, I just see it as normal content. CT is the slog for me, there is nothing happening in those raids to keep me engaged. I'm also pretty sure it's the norm to skip content in Ivalice and Nier these days. They don't even feel long unless you get a rare party full of new comers.

Because I feel as though the devs, and even some players based on the suggestions I've seen here, seem to forget that a lot of health =/= difficult.

The difference between CT and everything else is more than health, much more. However I think when it comes to boss health itself, you also want to avoid having too little. This trivializes the experience. 70 and 80 raids feel fine to me, I wonder if the people disliking them only do because they compare to CT.

People play the game to have fun. They don't play to zone out pressing their buttons on a boss fight that takes way too long.

Exactly why I want to get Ivalice and Nier instead of CT in alliance 100% of the time.

The reason to go into them and to not cheese the ilvl for the roulette would be because they're enjoyable. But as you said, there's no reason to do them. Because they're not fun.

This entire topic is indicating the opposite. There are people that want to run them.

[ICountFrom0]

there no "nice and easy" fix to this problem. on one hand lots of players WANT the later dungeons/raids from the roulette (i got to the point where if i get tower i leave and never go in to leveling roulette if i don't have a party of 4 players over level 60). on the other hand there legit low level / new players that need the help as well. so what to do?
one thing that can help is if this community start to act as what the believe they are. the most nice and helping community in mmo history. as let be real if you ask people for help most of the time you hear "just use DF if fast" .
second is separate the low level content in to a different roulette that give X3 times the gil and exp. all the content hat is under 50 be there.
the real PROBLEM is yoshi pushing this game to be a solo game. you cant get a party but why not use the legal bots we give you for the dungeon/ soon for raids as well.

No, what I said will work, perfectly, and fully acomplish what's intended for alliance roulette.

The people who are upset by that solution are people who want the bonuses from alliance roulette without the risk or work. Same people who complained about MSQ roulette having unskippable cutscenes.

[ICountFrom0]

Mandatory unlock is a no go. You would have to play through 14, soon to be 15 different Alliance raids (with massive queue times because so few can run the roulette) before you yourself get the option to run the roulette.

The problem with no. 2 is that would prevent people from queuing up for Alliance Roulette on alternate jobs.
If you've unlocked Euphrosyne, well now you can only queue for Alliance Roulette with an ilvl of 595. So if you cleared the MSQ on tank, but want to run Euphrosyne on a dps for shorter queues, tough.
If you have any jobs below 90, or a 90 job that isn't fully geared, the entire roulette is locked off for them, just like Expert roulette.
If you have no level 90 jobs geared to ilvl 595, then you can't run the roulette for tomes in order to gear up to get ilvl 595.

Both of your suggestions together relegate Alliance Raid roulette to the same status as Expert roulette only those who are up to date on everything, on their most geared jobs, can run it.
All of these complications limit the number of players eligible to queue for the roulette, in turn extending queue times for all alliance raids. Which completely defeats the point of the roulette, to fill queues for those running the raids for the first time.

Nope, not at all what I said.

I don't know if you intentionally misunderstood it, or are just pretending to.

If it automatically unlocks the dungeons, your not stuck by them not unlocking.

Having it update with the last quest of each expansion means that it's always at the right ilvl for you.

The situation you describe is just not possible and absolutely not what I described.

If your level 50, about to go into heavensward, boom, CT unlocks, alliance raid is only CR.
If your level 60 about to go into stormblood, the shadows alliance raids unlock, giving you 6 possibilities, that you have to have the right ilvl for, and that's what the alliance raid can put you into, no more, no less.
If your level 70, about to go into shadowbringers, the ivalace raids unlock themselves, giving you 9 possible dungeons, you que, you can end up in any of those 9.
If your level 80, about to go into endwalker, the nier raids unlock themselves, giving you 12 possible dungeons, you que, and you could end up in any of those 12.

I said nothing about requiring you to unlock nier before you could do alliance raid when your level 50. This is not "expert but alliance". If anything it's the 50, 60, 70, 80 roulette style, adaptively updating with each expansion you reach and containing what you unlocked. Notice that if you don't unlock and run halatili hard, you can sill run 50, 60, 70 roulette? If you do unlock it but you haven't run it, you can still run the roulette. Same coding is all that's needed for my idea, plus the automatic, INSTANT unlock of the dungeons so they can't be avoided.

Using the coding of 50/60/70 roulette even solves the problem of unleveled side classes wanting to use it to level. So no, the code exists, it works just fine in the other place it's used.

[magitekLuna]

No, what I said will work, perfectly, and fully acomplish what's intended for alliance roulette.

The people who are upset by that solution are people who want the bonuses from alliance roulette without the risk or work. Same people who complained about MSQ roulette having unskippable cutscenes.

well you some what got a point but the unskippable cutscenes must go