English Translation Terrible.

[Vyrerus]

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

This thread itself is from right around early access for 2.0. Have you seen this same thought echoed in recent days?

Life is cyclical. Largely the same. The faces change, yet the thoughts remain.

Sometimes problems are intrinsic to the cyclical nature of life. Does this endless parade weigh heavy for you, or can you take it in stride?

[Striker44]

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

This thread itself is from right around early access for 2.0. Have you seen this same thought echoed in recent days?

Life is cyclical. Largely the same. The faces change, yet the thoughts remain.

Sometimes problems are intrinsic to the cyclical nature of life. Does this endless parade weigh heavy for you, or can you take it in stride?

Indeed, people still act as if the English version is a "translation" instead of the reality that the English and Japanese versions are developed together. The English version is not "mistranslating" anything; it is its own version.

And yes, some of the complaints still boil down to the OP's original issue with "What is wrong?" vs. "Is aught amiss?" (In other words, they're complaining about nothing of actual substance.)

[Midareyukki]

Indeed, people still act as if the English version is a "translation" instead of the reality that the English and Japanese versions are developed together. The English version is not "mistranslating" anything; it is its own version.

And yes, some of the complaints still boil down to the OP's original issue with "What is wrong?" vs. "Is aught amiss?" (In other words, they're complaining about nothing of actual substance.)

THANK YOU

The English localization isn't your typical localization. It's not translation. It's a re-write, it's done in tandem as the original JP is being made. JP has the ideas and the script, EN takes it and does something of its own. Which is then bundled into the game as it is.

Why does this happen?

Because the EN localization head is part of the development team. That isn't the normal process.

If you want a normal localization, you look at the DE and FR versions, which are a bit closer to the original Japanese, barring some possible changes here and there.

It's inaccurate to hell and back to say that "the translation is terrible". Because it's not a translation to begin with! Now, do you disagree with this form of localization? Sure. But blaming it on translation is an ignorant statement. Because it's not the translator's fault. It's the way the game got designed. By people above the translation team itself.



That said, the reason this topic keeps being echoed is because though this information is readily availably by reading literally anything Koji Fox ever said about the localization process, people haven't committed this.
So naturally you'll still see this topic flying around needlessly. With revival threads so awkwardly done it snatches Jesus's wig.

[Absimiliard]

Lots of stuff

Semantics. The end result is what people are complaining about: the EN text not always lining up with the JP text, as in conveying something either partially or completely different. Whether they realize the two are developed in tandem does not really detract from the opinion. The point remains: The EN localization fairly frequently does NOT match up. While not always the case, there are instances where fairly important details, particularly where the story and lore are concerned, are quite a bit different between the two.

People that raise a stink about that "is aught amiss" business are kinda missing the boat, but those who have a problem with the two localizations not properly falling in line with one another have a valid criticism.

To be perfectly honest, I genuinely like the JP version more. I make it a point to play through the MSQ twice each expansion (once with EN text, once with JP) so I can compare and contrast, and boy are there some disconcerting differences. So significant, in fact, that I don't even understand why so many changes are allowed. Or, for that matter, why some people seem to support said changes. The East and West do have different values and standards, but it doesn't mean all of us want to play what is in some ways a different game.

[Fawkes]

because otherwise his character and death would've lost a lot of that meaning if the character you're supposed to be personal connected too happened to be Glenn Quagmire.

Yoshi-P chose to kill him off to rectify the problem rather than try to continue writing a game with two vastly different versions of the same character.

The English version was changed by the localization team without permission and Yoshi-P didn't find out until later. They did not intentionally make him less pervy for plot reasons, the localization team just mistakenly thought the English playerbase wasn't thirsty AF and wouldn't like a guy making occasional sex puns.

Indeed, people still act as if the English version is a "translation" instead of the reality that the English and Japanese versions are developed together. The English version is not "mistranslating" anything; it is its own version.

They only started working closely together after what happened with Haurchefant, most likely to prevent the English team from going rogue again.

Over the months since, we have taken many measures to ensure that similar problems do not arise in the future, and I am proud to say that the LOC team works more closely with the scenario and cutscene teams than ever before.

[AwesomeJr44]

Have you seen this same thought echoed in recent days?

Yep, and it's sad that the same problems that were present back in ARR are being allowed to persist now.

Does this endless parade weigh heavy for you, or can you take it in stride?

It wouldn't be so tiring if certain people didn't abandon all logic and sound reasoning to protect their favorite multi-dollar companies. A lot of people these days have no standards and those who do suffer for it.

damn, 2013 post, how did it get here on 1st page