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  1. #261
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burmecia
    but if you have to do too much time consuming brainwork for one job's one attack thing in context
    Here's the problem. You really don't.

    I see samurai.
    I look out for chiten.
    I press guard or simply just don't attack him.

    It ain't that difficult and it doesn't require a lot of brainwork. It's literally just a simple reaction.
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  2. #262
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    I press guard or simply just don't attack him.

    It ain't that difficult and it doesn't require a lot of brainwork. It's literally just a simple reaction.

    if skedaddling as soon as you see kuzushi would be the answer we wouldnt be having this discussion. or stay and do nothing.

    seems to me that chiten disencourages to pvp actually, because to deal with it maybe you have to disengage. and if you are aoe heavy job you are at even worse position
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    Last edited by Burmecia; 02-26-2023 at 07:54 PM.

  3. #263
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burmecia View Post
    if skedaddling as soon as you see kuzushi would be the answer we wouldnt be having this discussion. or stay and do nothing.

    seems to me that chiten disencourages to pvp actually, because to deal with it maybe you have to disengage. and if you are aoe heavy job you are at even worse position
    An ability causing you to disengage is not uncommon for pvp games. Reflect skills in swtor, Genji deflect in overwatch etc... for basic examples.

    Chiten is 5s. It's not the end of the world to simply disengage them. The issue seems to me like ya'll just want to mash buttons and not pay attention to what's going on around you. Then again, the amount of times I've seen people fail to faill back just to get nuked by a respawning zerg explains a lot about the average player in frontlines lol.
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  4. #264
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    An ability causing you to disengage is not uncommon for pvp games. Reflect skills in swtor, Genji deflect in overwatch etc... for basic examples.

    Chiten is 5s. It's not the end of the world to simply disengage them. The issue seems to me like ya'll just want to mash buttons and not pay attention to what's going on around you. Then again, the amount of times I've seen people fail to faill back just to get nuked by a respawning zerg explains a lot about the average player in frontlines lol.
    Let's be honest, I'd rather fight a deflect Genji or an airblast Pyro than whatever this game throws with the awful netcode + crap detection.
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  5. #265
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Here's the problem. You really don't.

    I see samurai.
    I look out for chiten.
    I press guard or simply just don't attack him.

    It ain't that difficult and it doesn't require a lot of brainwork. It's literally just a simple reaction.
    To be honest, I just see enemy team, I look out for them, and I win.

    Ain't that difficult either. It's just a simple reaction.
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  6. #266
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettinson View Post
    Let's be honest, I'd rather fight a deflect Genji or an airblast Pyro than whatever this game throws with the awful netcode + crap detection.
    same tbf, this game is not meant for whatever samurai has atm.
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  7. #267
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettinson View Post
    Let's be honest, I'd rather fight a deflect Genji or an airblast Pyro than whatever this game throws with the awful netcode + crap detection.
    That's an entirely different problem though.
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  8. #268
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Here's the problem. You really don't.

    I see samurai.
    I look out for chiten.
    I press guard or simply just don't attack him.

    It ain't that difficult and it doesn't require a lot of brainwork. It's literally just a simple reaction.
    I have to agree with this, SAM in FL really isn't as big as a deal as people make them out to be. Most times i can just simply ignore them honestly. CC Though they can be annoying simply because of it only being a 5V5.
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    Last edited by JuicyHeals; 03-01-2023 at 01:09 AM.

  9. #269
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuicyHeals View Post
    I have to agree with this, SAM in FL really isn't as big as a deal as people make them out to be. Most times i can just simply ignore them honestly. CC Though they can be annoying simply because of it only being a 5V5.
    Wrong, anything that has the power to kill you with one button is dumb and should be fixed.

    honestly it should be more like ninjas LB.
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  10. #270
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuicyHeals View Post
    I have to agree with this, SAM in FL really isn't as big as a deal as people make them out to be. Most times i can just simply ignore them honestly. CC Though they can be annoying simply because of it only being a 5V5.
    Its definitely more of an issue in CC, but mostly with aoe's. In FL's I'm never in range of them anyways, but in CC, ya if you're in one of the many choke points you have to be a lot more careful. Generally if I see that they have LB and I'm on BLM or something I kind of backoff or throw a superflare out there to CC them and get out of their LB range. Usually its enough to get them burned down, especially if you mark them correctly. Its a bit more annoying to deal with in CC, but honestly their LB stops being an issue once you get beyond gold rank and people kind of know what they are doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Towa-Musa View Post
    Wrong, anything that has the power to kill you with one button is dumb and should be fixed.

    honestly it should be more like ninjas LB.
    lol what? Yes please give me an instant kill for anyone below 50%. That is way stronger than trying to bait out a debuff with chiten. At least currently the SAM LB requires a setup and you can actually avoid it just by visually looking for the chiten animation. NIN LB you can't guard or anything. All you can do is spam recup and hope to keep yourself above 50% long enough to fall back from the fight and get away from them. I'd much rather deal with a SAM than a NIN.
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    Last edited by Ransu; 03-01-2023 at 04:47 AM.

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