Can something be done about alliance raids?

[Mr_Gyactus]

Once your character has cleared an alliance raid they should be on the roulette for it regardless of they de-equip their gear so long as they are the appropriate level. In other words cheesing just wouldn’t work because you can’t de level in the game.

Also, if you drop out, the rewards for that day are forfeited on that drop. If you have an unforeseen emergency that required you to drop out it’s NBD to lose a few tomestones and try again the next day.

There. Problem solved.

You solved nothing.
We [players] asked to add that ilevel requirement because there were [players] NOT upgrading their equip while levelling secondary jobs with roulettes. If you remove the ilevel requirement we return to lev80+ characters in lev80 content doing 2k dps or tanking with 10k HP.
No one usually drop out, so that's not an issue.

btw WHY the community think only about PUNISHMENT?
you obtain more with the carrot than with the stick. For example, if there is a shortage of healers, it's better to give a better reward [if a player queue as healer], than to give a penalty [if that player queue as dps].


I don't really feel like we should change anything, not for a single player doing cosmetics.
We did the farming of paradigm in 6.0 - 6.1, where were you?

[ASkellington]

I mean, this is likely going to be part of the Relic weapon grind anyway, which is only a few weeks away.
Plus there's always Moogle tomestones.

Assuming SE doesn't screw up like they did with Bozja and still adds CT like they shouldn't.

The usual variables like time of day, role, etc. don't seem to make a difference. One time it was 2am and I got in in 5 minutes (the only time it was ever under an hour), and other times I can queue at primetime and it takes over 2 hours. I can pair with a healer or go by myself as BRD/DNC at any time of day and it still takes forever. The problem is no one is available, despite so many people having all jobs at 90 and regularly doing roulettes, but purposefully forcing CT which is the problem. Literally anything that isn't CT takes forever to get into.

I mean again, I've listed 3 reasons how people can force CT (excluding doing it for the first time as mandatory) without ilvl cheese.

You can't force a person to unlock the rest of the raids if they don't want to (whether SE will change the roulette to only unlock if you have reached the required stages who knows I would welcome the change but I can also see it not happening).

A person who doesn't have the class they're leveling to at least 80 are already trying to fix that. And well, there's nothing to be done about free trial players.

And as Seraphor has said, even if we remove the ilvl cheese CT will still be heavily weighted. That said, I find it odd that you have such a hard time getting to Paradigm on prime time hours. Even on my alt SMN/SGE/SCH it took me ~24 minutes at most. Have you tried on weekends during 7-9pm EST?

[Saraide]

Ah I was wondering when this thread came back. Yes you shouldnt be able to ilvl cheese as it's against the spirit of the roulette, no it wont give you better queues for higher level raids. Fact of the matter is simply that far less people run those or are in level range of those.

>Relevant thread!< This thread got classified as not a bug report.

[Doozer]

Assuming SE doesn't screw up like they did with Bozja and still adds CT like they shouldn't.

I mean again, I've listed 3 reasons how people can force CT (excluding doing it for the first time as mandatory) without ilvl cheese.

You can't force a person to unlock the rest of the raids if they don't want to (whether SE will change the roulette to only unlock if you have reached the required stages who knows I would welcome the change but I can also see it not happening).

A person who doesn't have the class they're leveling to at least 80 are already trying to fix that. And well, there's nothing to be done about free trial players.

And as Seraphor has said, even if we remove the ilvl cheese CT will still be heavily weighted. That said, I find it odd that you have such a hard time getting to Paradigm on prime time hours. Even on my alt SMN/SGE/SCH it took me ~24 minutes at most. Have you tried on weekends during 7-9pm EST?

I'm not sure what you seek to achieve by telling me other raids will come up more often when I know that. I'm saying that in its current state it's extremely hard to get into anything by queuing manually because so many people are purposefully getting CT. I can do trial roulette and get a wide variety of duties across all levels, but alliance raid roulettes are mostly CT. Because of this, queuing for anything but CT takes hours.

And I just said that I've queued at "primetime" aka 7-9 EST. I also already said that the variables I can change don't make a difference because of how many people that just aren't available despite fully being able to do it. Stop putting the responsibility on me and start putting it on people who alter their roulette pool or SE for allowing it to happen.

This thread got classified as not a bug report.

I didn't say it was a bug. People are misusing a game feature to gain an unfair advantage and it hurts other players' experiences by making it harder to get into other content.

[Saraide]

I'm not sure what you seek to achieve by telling me other raids will come up more often when I know that. I'm saying that in its current state it's extremely hard to get into anything by queuing manually because so many people are purposefully getting CT. I can do trial roulette and get a wide variety of duties across all levels, but alliance raid roulettes are mostly CT. Because of this, queuing for anything but CT takes hours.

And I just said that I've queued at "primetime" aka 7-9 EST. I also already said that the variables I can change don't make a difference because of how many people that just aren't available despite fully being able to do it. Stop putting the responsibility on me and start putting it on people who alter their roulette pool or SE for allowing it to happen.



I didn't say it was a bug. People are misusing a game feature to gain an unfair advantage and it hurts other players' experiences by making it harder to get into other content.

Many more trials are part of MSQ. Only CT raids are part of MSQ. How do you know so many people have unlocked nier raids? It unlocks nothing and the raid quality doesnt make up for that either.

[Doozer]

Many more trials are part of MSQ. Only CT raids are part of MSQ. How do you know so many people have unlocked nier raids? It unlocks nothing and the raid quality doesnt make up for that either.

Okay, I also get a pretty decent spread of normal raids too. What counter do you have to that?

Also no offence but I didn't really ask your opinion on whether the raid is worth doing for other people. My point was that roulettes are supposed to fill slots for people queuing for duties but when I do roulettes I get CT with no new people and when I queue for anything that isn't CT it takes hours no matter what time of day it is.

[Saraide]

Okay, I also get a pretty decent spread of normal raids too. What counter do you have to that?

Also no offence but I didn't really ask your opinion on whether the raid is worth doing for other people. My point was that roulettes are supposed to fill slots for people queuing for duties but when I do roulettes I get CT with no new people and when I queue for anything that isn't CT it takes hours no matter what time of day it is.

None of the normal raids are msq required so there is no difference between them.

None taken but people not unlocking nier raids because they dont care about them absolutely matters for your point. This isnt my opinion, that's how it is.

[Doozer]

None of the normal raids are msq required so there is no difference between them.

Exactly. I keep getting excuses about how people who don't have things unlocked, are on a job that isn't a high enough level, etc. all skew the results and yet I get an even spread of one type of duty but not alliance raids. Obviously lower level duties will come up a bit more than others but it's not helped by people who force it on purpose. There are people who load into anything that isn't CT and say "ugh this" and there's a 50/50 chance they'll just leave because it's not their favourite brain-dead raid.

With how hard you're defending it, it makes me wonder if you're one of those people, but I suppose it's not worth currently exploring.

And again, roulettes are supposed to fill slots for people queuing for things. So why does that not work in alliance raids that aren't CT? Anything above (and including) Dun Scaith takes forever. Something needs to be changed.

[Saraide]

Exactly. I keep getting excuses about how people who don't have things unlocked, are on a job that isn't a high enough level, etc. all skew the results and yet I get an even spread of one type of duty but not alliance raids. Obviously lower level duties will come up a bit more than others but it's not helped by people who force it on purpose. There are people who load into anything that isn't CT and say "ugh this" and there's a 50/50 chance they'll just leave because it's not their favourite brain-dead raid.

With how hard you're defending it, it makes me wonder if you're one of those people, but I suppose it's not worth currently exploring.

And again, roulettes are supposed to fill slots for people queuing for things. So why does that not work in alliance raids that aren't CT? Anything above (and including) Dun Scaith takes forever. Something needs to be changed.

Can you read?

Yes you shouldnt be able to ilvl cheese as it's against the spirit of the roulette

[Doozer]

Can you read?

Can you? Seems like you're calling the kettle black, here.